When he comes and visit me we drink and talk koi. He shares his phtos of our beloved japanese breeders and his own fish collection of what he have that are still in Japan. His son is here already (Tom). If I remeber correctly he lives in Pasadena. He can drink. I will start a new thread about the Manila event. They (breeders) will be coming in this Friday for the 2 day event and play golf Monday and party.