Donald I did want a greenish non ginrin chagoi just like the one Kevin has. Here's Kevin's
http://www.genkikoi.com/koisale2.html But having a wife that wouldn't have what she calls, a ugly big koi in the pond wouldn't work. She saw the one at Ken's that was a ginrin and she said they don't look all that bad. So we got a ginrin. The problem was I didn't take her to Kevin's with me. If she saw his, I think I could talk her into a greenish non ginrin chagoi. If I don't get the growth out of this one. I will then add another one to the pond. That one will be a non ginrin chagoi. But now that I have this one I am liking it a lot.
Tom