[tewa]

[quote=MikeM]Tewa, KingKong, Valarc: If you are going to continue the discussion on this board, please remember that the tone of the postings should be in keeping with the tone of this board. I think too many participants in the Koiphen thread got overly emotional and perhaps a bit frazzled? ....I think pretty much all that could be said about Bacteria House media and far infra-red rays was said (often thrice), but I would certainly enjoy learning of anything new.

I agree MikeM I have chosen to not post anything directed at that person. I hope that he can start his own thread. I really want to keep this one the way we post here on KB.

I think a sad point in focusing on the questionable science of FIR is that the benefits of a shower filter (Bakki or otherwise) has gotten lost in the debate.

I agree and I think the experiences of users is just as important as the finding of new information on FIR.

However, Tewa, all of the good done by these products gets lost when the discussion turns to FIR. The more the discussion focuses on FIR, credibility is lost on the most important aspect of these products: real people have had excellent results using them. Please keep that in mind

Mike I agree the most important is the results such as fish health, fish growth ease of maintenance. The results sell themselves, in UK this is very evident. I have read on koichat that Cliff neale has managed to raise a 24cm momotaro tosai to over 70cm as a nisai, this matches the biggest nisai produced at momotaro and this was with a pond of 36000L that uses the onimoshi streamflow concept. I know that the more I research FIR the more it seems I am reducing the credibility of the product to new hobbyist that read this but in my humble opinion there is something definitely about FIR that we do not fully understand because there must be a reason why Maeda went to that much trouble to get the increased levels of FIR. Most importantly the end result of bakki shower users is great. This is my own personal endeavor to understand what maeda says of FIR no dealer or agent has tried to understand it as much and I would agree there is no need to since the results is the most important. I am not trying to research for extra sales but I am really trying to find out for myself and I can swear that when people in Aus ask about BH I only sell the results (what they can see, fish health, fish growth and beauty of the fish). I have enough trying trying to tell them that the fish waste magically dissapears since I cant see it in the pond, in the shower or in the media as people find it very hard to believe that it just gets consumed


Last night I was going through the koiphen thread to copy the information I found useful, I was shocked to see how much energy I had spent over the last two and a half weeks to post against others arguments (and i had only got through fifty pages still got thirty more to go) when that time could have been used to find more information. That is why I hope this thread wont turn out like that.

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