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Quote: Originally Posted by aquitori One thing to read and there is another to have that "Eyes on approach"...Meaning, reading and applying is a whole different thing...It took me years to read all the books, then applying what I read was even harder. Aline yourself with people who have the knowledge in your area. I have talked to many new beginniers that I have come across at the shops and talked koi...but to a certain extent I find myself holding back alot more because they dont have the basics down. Learn the Basics first!!! Learn the different varities, then so and so on...

I am pretty sure I know all of the varieties, its hard for me to differintiate the Hajiro and Matsukawabake. but I just learned that the Hajiro has white on the tip of its nose, so kind of like a shiro kuchibeni, and it has white on the tips of its fins. and the entire koi is black

The Matsukawabake is like somewhat of a black koi with kage on it, but the kage is revealing the white under the black...

Maruten is a red dot on the head of the koi, but the koi also has the same colors and different ones present on its body, making it maruten.

I think I need to evaluate what I think I have down to a proficient level, and work from their..
Nvm, I am not my sensei. That is for my sensei to decide.