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Originally Posted by Tamianth  Thanks Lil for getting this started. Its really been a interesting and learning read for this person. 
Mr Winkler, as the forums renegade and proud owner, daring to be different, of strictly longfins, I loved the way you put it! I agree they are not Nishikigoi, and yes, the argument is a old one. But tell me, how do folks figure that they are not carp? Does not Koi & Goi both denote "carp" in definition as a overall coverage of all the species of and not as a independant? I would have thought that as independant names go Nishiki and longfin (sorry, I do not know japanese  Kudos to Lil on that score! ) would be a more refined and finished way of denoting the differences.
Perhaps it is a strange way, or advanced way, for me to look at this, but then again, as you aptly put it, it takes time and even the Doitsu had to find their place....
I like your touch of humor, you had me grinning! |
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All Koi are Carp, but not all Carp are Koi.
Nishikigoi is a specific artform of husbandry that is distinct from Goldfish "Carp" husbandry, which is also an artform within its own subspecies. Any attempt to interbreed between those two artforms produces a corruption of Carp that can in no way be described as "art"
(those are some damn ugly babies)
Indonesian carp are happily more closely related to Koi genetically so they are capable of producing offspring that retain an artistic appeal, but it is a different art form. They retain the general patterning of Nishikigoi, but their bodies retain the indonesian form which is quite different in shape and balance. That places them on a different plane of existence and purpose.
Nishikigoi communicate a presence of power softened by a fluid grace.
Longfins communicate a presense of grace, further softened by daintiness.
That doesn't make longfins poor, but it does make them very different from Nishikigoi.