I think that by having this discussion we are learning. I believe that at least at the dealers I frequent that you can find pretty good persimmon beni on younger koi that are relatively reasonable priced (under 1k). However, it is a lot easier to find those with hard beni. Further I would say that most everything that we see here stateside falls under the Tateshita category versus Tategoi which are found in japan. There are of course exceptions but they are rare. That is why as of late I have become more and more interested in finding out more about our quality domestic breeders.
