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Quote: Originally Posted by PapaBear Somebody throw me a bone here (he says while doing his best "dr evil" impersonation ) Are my thoughts too far off base to even get a correction, or so obvious that no further comment is needed . The nature of white skin vs. black skin is one that seems to cause a lot of confusion when people are talking about Sumi development and why you should look for entirely different traits when selecting Showa vs Sanke or Utsuri vs Bekko. I really think a little discussion from those of you who really know your stuff would be beneficial to the rest of us.

No, Larry. I'm with you. I'm trying to sort this out myself. One of the problems is that you get into the genotype vs phenotype issue. Do all showa start out black, then the other colors develop later? What about the so called new age showa? Where do they fit in? Do they start out black?