[mrbradleybradley]

"When judging koi of AJS caliber it is not about demerits it is about accomplishments, overall presence, and also beauty. "

Hi Ray. I am hoping you might expand this thought some more.

Are you saying that an AJS has little need for a + and - system and that lower calibre shows rely on this more? What then is the place of a + and - system

eg.in Manual to Nishikigoi by Takeo Kuroki

Figure 30 Marks
Colours 20 Marks
Pattern 20 Marks
Quality 10 Marks
Elegance 10 Marks
Imposing Appearance 10 Marks

I have no doubt that bias exists even within a scoring system. Is this more the starting point rather than the finishing point as your thought might suggest.

Cheers

BB