LOL...and it's a thumbs down situation!!! I will probably keep the Ginrin just to see what happens. I can definitely see where we have to worry about the shiro-muji thing happening to the kohaku. The reason I even have the photo's is the weather. Since it is winter in new england, My koi are all at the bottom now for the season. Except...4 smaller koi that are hiding at the surface in a corner. I was afraid these guys would freeze when it iced over. So, I caught them yesterday and brought them inside. I'm always afraid that the little guys aren't going to survive the winter.