off topic but.... From what I've read, Loran (or Loulan) was almost culled several times so it's possible that it could have been in one of those bins. Even if the breeder is 99.9% right. There will still be 250 quality koi that slip into the tateshita bin from every parent set. The problem is none of those koi will come close to realizing their potential unless Tony spots it in the bargain bin.
-Dan