[Russell Peters]

Quote: Originally Posted by aquitori Then again I have seen 4 for $100 tosai end up being better than those labelled "Jumbo" Tosai.... The advantage of Jumbo Tosai is that you can see the quality the Koi will have sooner as it is larger and more developed. Developed in what way? Quality? Wouldnt the Quality be the same compared to lets say a tosai 7" to a 11" tosai? The disadvantage comes when Jumbo Tosai are sold that are not from Jumbo parents. What is the difference if the Tosai are from jumbo oyagoi 90cm+ or oyagoi in the 80cm size?

You are absolutely right, I have seen jumbo tosai that aren't any good. They are used as a device, sometimes, just to make more money.

A 7" tosai is a jumbo tosai if it comes from jumbo parents. Jumbo Tosai should really only be considered Jumbo if they have the ability to grow to a very large size. If they come from jumbo parents they are more likely to achieve that growth and should be considered jumbo tosai no matter what size they start out. If a dealer is selling jumbo tosai and the parents are only 24" then they are not really jumbo tosai. The term "Jumbo" does not refer to the size of the tosai, it refers to the parents it comes from. I do not consider 80cm Jumbo.

Quality in any size tosai is undeniable and recognizable.