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Old 03-16-2007   #8 (permalink)
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So it seems we have a few home made common names from different regions.
ol camel face is a good one. poor things are all messed up bad. i feel like satan now.

somone told me that it may be a bacterial type infection leading to the disease but that was just a guess.

i recall years ago seeing a batch of shubunkins in a shop with the same problem and i thought that it was actually how the shubunkin breed was shaped..and lately i wondered what ever happened to that line of shubunkins that look so sick and droopy. for some reason they reminded me of that book with the cat that ate green eggs and ham..dr suez?

now i know those fish werent sposed to look like that!

my calcium levels are high, i dont think that the bones are suspect but the body definately seems affected also. they are not rigid with muscle, that may have something to do with ability to oxygenate the body and muscle as well i guess..
it seems that the snout pulls back and the head shortens to provide for the folded up square jaw but who knows maybe the jaw fold is part and parcel of the head shortening..
vice versa.
they also go higher on the top of the noggen, but ive seen many variations on shape actually. they arent slender and fighting fit thats for sure.

i first heard of bung head when a young guy at a shop said he didnt want to buy our comets casue they were bung heads. this was about five years back, i had little idea but i could see what he meant.
i went through and removed all the lionhead comets from the breeders to try and breed pure comets with standard heads,
looking back now we probably were selling lionheads and some bungheads.

i guess by not having this problem arise over the years ive been able to supply good comets and any stray bung heads go out as feeders anyway but this crop has brought the issue up as an environmental one.
buckets full of bungs.

this pond was different in that it was built more recently ( maybe two years max) and is under a hothouse with little air movement and no wind ruffling and we only used emergency blower aeration for night time around cloudy periods. the other ponds have ag pipe to remove foul water from the bottom too.
no doubt i missed a few days of air along the way.

i plan to make some more aerators up to run 24-7, still, ill keep these ponds for livebearers in the future as that has been going well the last year or more.

next year its all back to the big outside ponds, and ill just have to spare a big pond for ongrowing the select koi.
such a shame seeing nice colours go to waste.
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