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thanks all, ill sort it out next time round.
spose its about getting things better than i had at the time..
steve, ive seen my fair share of those poor looking goldies!!
my old man has a koi thats about 30cm long and it appears to be getting a bit better, you can still notice its gills are more open as it breathes but it seems to be growing out of looking really bad like it was when it was younger.
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