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Old 07-16-2007   #26 (permalink)
dOHd
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Butch

When one figures the cost of materiels, the shipping is included in the cost of materiels. and if one needs special equipment to put down said materiel, that cost must also be added to the total price.

See, the way you figure it, it brings the unwary shopper in with huge cost savings in their eyes. But when they then get the bill for all the add ons, then that leaves a bad taste in their mouth.

And see, then too you are comparing apples to oranges. With the cost of a turn key polyurea job quoted as 10-12 a SF, and you advertise the do it yourselfer can do it for 3.65, that is not being totally honest, now is it? Polyurea cost, yes. But not finished cost on the wall at 50 mils thick. I know of several polyurea ponds that have been sprayed for about $6-8 a SF, and the thickness would be in the 120-140 mill thickness. So please, lets compare apples with oranges.

THats kinda like someone offering to build you a pond for $12,000. Then after some of the work is done, you find out that the filter, pump, drains and liner were not included in the price. You assumed that the person was honest enough to quote you a finished price, but instead they baited you with something not so honest.

The prices I have added to arrive at that cost are the actual costs of what it would cost me to buy the product, and have it shipped to me per your website. That is the true cost of materiels. That price did not include the liner, which your cost quote did include. All the other add ons I added are needed to put the materiel down, not cute little things like lunch. These are items that you have to have to put the materiel down. So they need to be added to the cost of installation.

As for the legal definition of what can be called a polyurea, without having to state blend, is put out by the PDA. You know, the polyurea guys. That keeps the dishonest mixers of product from calling their product polyurea when instead it truly is a polyurea/polyurethane blend. A blend that is much less costly to produce, and has different uses and limmits, quite different than polyurea.

Something else I have noticed, when someone keeps hiding behind the "its top secret, company secrets, trade secrets" that has me worried. There are no secrets in the world of polyurea. There are only a handful of polyurea makers, and they are all well know. Some make pretty good stuff for ponds, others make really good stuff for other purposes, but are not really good for ponds.

And as far as your Fish safe plug, I dont know of any pure polyurea that is not fish safe. Unless the applicator screws up and sprays incorrectly.

So please, dont act like I hurt your integrity, you did that when stating a low cost to try and sell a product, a cost that is not born out in reality. Hell, thats like selling a car, me agreeing to buy it, and you delivering it without tires and steering wheel.
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