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Quote: Originally Posted by koiczar Tony The difference between buying fish DIRECTLY from breeders like Dainichi versus others who breed from Dainichi only stock comes when the culling is done. Who knows a genetic line better than the ORIGINAL breeder. They have lineage knowledge the others don't necessarily have. So, when they cull, they have a broader base to draw from. If I want to watch a Danichi line showa develop and learn from it, then I would buy directly from Dainichi. I also would not buy a tosai. It would be nisai or sansai. I may even leave it in Japan to grow out for at least one year to give it the best care I could so it has a better than even chance of developing the way it should (I don't want to ruin it before it has a chance-LOL)!! If you really want to compare apples to oranges, Matsunosuke line sanke are used by most breeders in Japan. If you wanted to learn about the genetic line, who would you buy from? Even if the fish were bred true from only Sakai bloodlines. If you would choose others, then why not try Matt McCann's fish at Quality Koi? He uses Matsunosuke bloodline and he is a domestic breeder with lots of potential fish! Might be worth a try as quite a few here have done and can attest to. Mike

If I were to go to a breeder I would ask what bloodline they use, generally most breeders use Dainichi anyways. We both know your not going to see Dainichi's best fish, unless your Ron Goforth or somebody of that nature...I was merely stating that if I wanted to have a Dainichi fish why would I need to by direct from the farm of name when I wouldnt be offered the best or even see the best. Now if I wanted to buy a Dainichi line fish I would probably buy it from Isa or Sakuma...or maybe even Omosako. Genetics is genetics, the art comes from the culls.

Like Dainichi Showa line, Matsunosuke line Sanke is all over the place from breeder to breeder. But when asking about Matsunosuke fish you have to ask what bloodline is in the fish. Now if I were looking for growth I would ask is the oyagoi from the Magoi line or traditional line. It's just perference for what you want to see your fish develop into. The tosai Kohak I bought from Russ last year is from INC, but the fish shows the lines of Sensuke. The genetics of the fish are far from the traditional Matsunosuke line we are familar with. Mat McCann's fish are good but I would still rather take a gamble buying a fish from Japan. The last domestic fish I bought was from Douglas and that was my graduation from Domestic to Japanese....But most likely I would probably buy fish from Mat, because he gots a bigger money backing to improve his stocks....