[Russell Peters]

Quote: Originally Posted by koi4life west coast cali and the size is 8 feet long 4 feet wide and 2feet deep the filter is a 20gal rubbermaid and its new cause i just mad it yesturday and i cleaned everything out and still the water has a smell to it but thw water is clear and it looks like they float on top trying to get air i still dont know whats wrong here is some pics

If they are at the top and it looks like they are trying to get oxygen then, perhaps their gills were damaged from the filter pad incident or maybe there is not enough oxygen in the water and they are suffocating. Having your filter water splash into the pond is NOT enough to give them adequate oxygen. You need an air pump.