bakki towers

[Bancherd]

Dick, I agree that hard data are needed.

The silence is deafening when it comes to ORP or other water-quality related data on Bakki-filtered ponds.

It is "hard to believe" that there are no ORP data available. :shock:

In my devious mind, I have a feeling that the ORP-data are available, but the values are not "high"; which go against our idea of good ORP-values. :twisted:

Show that I am wrong, please! :wink:

[James P]

Absolutey Dick, and don't let me spoil anyone's enthusiasm. What temperature is the lowest you will start running the experiment/them at dick? I haven't spoken to Carl in Months but Its still pretty cold up our way- 28- 38 F. Does temperature matter with this new media or not at all? Infared sounds 'hot' to me! I know, I know- behave! JR

[Lee]

JR-

I am with you on the 'reservation' until more data is supplied on the B.H. media...However, does this same 'wait and see' attitude also extend to your conservative belief for the 'shower' concept, as well?

Or, is it, that you 'do' (or do not) believe that the shower (concept) itself, as well as, the BH media, 'both' require more testing.

Or, do I understand that your position is...until proven otherwise, neither has value or merit?

JR, I need to understand whether I should include a Bakki Shower (type of filter system) to my new pond? Or, as the 'fourth' method of filtration, whether I should remain with a tried TT system, instead?

Note. I am including a series of six foot votex's w/Answers, as well as, Nexus', KI and bead filters for each of the skimmers, as well as, one return that flows exclusively through a (wholly segrated) water garden.

However, if you are casting doubt on the Bakki Shower's themselves, I am going to "deep six" that 'one' additional filter technique within my new ponds filter system.

As always, I appreciate your advice...

Lee
Grand Cayman

[Motown]

This post just kills me!

In God we trust! Everyone else bring data.

[MikeM]

Lee: Do not confuse criticism & reservations about the BS system as a stand alone do-it-all filter method, with rejection of the concept as an additional component. ... like TTs serve as an additional element. Place vortexes etc in front of BS & I think even JR would lower the volume considerably.

BTW, regarding a query you made some many pages back, to the extent BS super-oxygenates, high pressure pumping can result in causing formation of bubbles... i.e., lowering the oxygen level of the pumped water. But, in any particular application the difference may not be much different than the same water would be a few minutes later any way. ... That's about all I've learned on the subject and could not begin to understand the formulae etc, so I can't give any real advice. Just verifying that there is a lot of science involved in your question.

One month until AFKAPS in Orlando.

[Lee]

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:02 pm

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Lee: Do not confuse criticism & reservations about the BS system as a stand alone do-it-all filter method, with rejection of the concept as an additional component. ... like TTs serve as an additional element. Place vortexes etc in front of BS & I think even JR would lower the volume considerably.

REPLY POSTED: FEB 06, 2004 7:54 am

Mike: It is confusing. Therefore, I gratefully appreciate your clarification.

Thus, is it your 'firm' opinion that will I be confident that if I use a Vortex pre-BS, that the 'shower concept' is the best of filtration system possible?

BTW, regarding a query you made some many pages back, to the extent BS super-oxygenates, high pressure pumping can result in causing formation of bubbles... i.e., lowering the oxygen level of the pumped water. But, in any particular application the difference may not be much different than the same water would be a few minutes later any way. ... That's about all I've learned on the subject and could not begin to understand the formulae etc, so I can't give any real advice. Just verifying that there is a lot of science involved in your question.

Another yet unanswered question I have is...If the water from the BS flows out of the BS, where it is conceived to 'pour' immediately back into the pond (which I do not want to do) - How can I lift the water back up and have it flow into the pond thru a water fall or TRP's?

What I am asking is - do I need another pump to push it up and distribute it 'around'? Or, is there enough pressure just from the flow down and out of the BS that it will be adaquate enough flow (pressure) to circulate all the way around a rather large pond and then out thru three TRP's?

One month until AFKAPS in Orlando.

Yes, I know.

My decision to attend AFKAPS in Orlando has caused a problem in my household....as my daughter is coming from England that week with my grand daughter and my son in law on their annual visit and I've decided to leave them (here) so that I can fly to Orlando and attend AFKAPS.

You can image what my decision to attend AFKAPS (that week) has created around this house and amongst my family.

"Whew, am I the worse Father or what!"

Darn it. I wish AFKAPS would be rescheduled a week later. Or, that my daughter and family would arrive a week earlier, however, I can't change either schedule's. Therefore, around this household I'm now considered a terrible Father. Tho' I admit to remaininig an eager and avid koi hobbiest...

Sometimes you can simply never win!

Lee
Grand Cayman
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[MikeM]

Lee: I cannot wait to see you & JR together. ....Is BS the "best" available if preceded by vortex unit? Can't say, but I do not believe anything is "best". When it comes to filtration, one thing may be better than another in a particular setting.

On your BS return: My thought (if I had the room to do BS & all the rest of the considerations) had been to create a stream return to the pond w/the utilitarian BS located out of sight. I do not like the idea of pumping from BS to a waterfall because you have to match pumps ... not going to happen. I think you would need to elevate BS so return to pond can be by gravity. Not a problem to do a lesser volume pump to waterfall, so long as gravity run is there too. Another thought w/grounds to spare would be to have a long, shallow "shelf" extending from the pond to the BS discharge ... kind of like a stream, but looking like an extension of the pond. Of course, in the Caymans you can probably put a BS w/i a few feet of the pond, plunk down run-of-the-mill fan palms, scheffeleras, gingers & seagrapes, and it would be hidden in a year. [Stay away from crotons. Too gaudy. Detract from the koi.)

[Lee]

Yep,

I can easily install the BS directly behind the 'high' pond wall (which I will build between the pond and the filter area) and I can then return 100% of the water directly from the bottom shelf of the BS back into the pond, thru the wall...like that of a flushing stream.

This is not a problem. And, I will most probably do it that way.

I just wish that I had others see the plan I have drawn so that those 'who know more than I' can critique and add their own personal experienced recommendations...

Not having any mechanical ability. I don't trust my own decisions.

Lee
Grand Cayman

[Bob Hart]

Bancherd,

I am currently installing a 3-tier Bakki shower system, but as my Water temperature is heated to only 15 degrees C, I'm in no hurry to complete it.
I do run an ORP meter though and have a current reading of 380 or thereabouts.
Like yourself I'm very interested to see what changes a Bakki system will have on a pond, as I will be running this alongside my existing filter.

If you wanted to see what I'm up to, there is a thread on KoiChat in the members gallery.

Once the installation is completed, probably around the end of March (too busy elsewhere until then), I will be recording reading etc. for comparison.

I'd be interested to See data from others as well, perhaps we can keep this thread going to 500 or so posts!

[MikeM]

Dick, SMG et al: How are you doing in getting your systems set up & progress with the experiments?