Bakki shower thread continuation

[tewa]

Quote: Originally Posted by dtbh Dear Mike I see you are the only strong advocate of BH who insist on 10% water change daily. I do this for my pond for various reasons and I would agree with you on this even for BH. Thanks. dtbh

Sorry DTBH

I dont see anywhere in Mikes postings that he advocates 10% a day in fact the opposite he has stated that amount of water has not been quantified as such and describes the use of a tds meter.

tewa

ps my koi heal very quick if they ever geet a scratch or a scale comes off. One of my customer told me last week one of his kohaku jad a deep long gash on the head, he was going to monitor it but the gash healed within a week.

So far I have had no problems with hikkui but have seen on the other hand ponds that flush their bottom drains and do large changes of water have hikkui

[Ryan S.]

There are what, 1,000+ plus posts now on various threads on online forums. Still not one single case where anyone as been about to get better results using BH media under identical condition/applications against another media.

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Everyone wants wants to discredit SMG's test b/c 1x turnover was used, but results were good out of that test for BH, only problem for BH-cult was lava rock provided the exact same good results.

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If you can get good very low mainteance mechancial filtration at a reasonable cost, doing this and pumping to a shower filter at 1x hourly turnover rate seems like a good alternative (and good ponding practice) to the operating expenses of having to do 2x+ hourly turnover to compensate for lack of good mechancial filtration.

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Lets look at this pond: 18'x9'x8'depth roughly 9700gallons. A good koi pond in the USA at least. Would typically have 2 4" bottom drains and 1 4" skimmer on gravity feeds that would supply roughly 3600gph. The gravity flow setup in the same pond that needed to supply twice the amount you would need 3 more bottom drains in the same pond, or move them to a suction feed directly to pump. On a suction feed, any tosai in the pond sweep through the drains are lost. You would be cleaning out any leaves or such out of the stainer basket all the time in a typical outdoor US pond also.

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I don't see anyone disputing that a BS/BH setup is a good shower filter. But with media that is 100+X the cost of LR and significantly higher than other media as well, I find it interesting that not a single BS/BH user that I have heard of every bothered to try the method itself (with other trays/media) before buying the snake oil. JR may find some magical properties of BH, but I find it odd that so many would buy into something without bother testing at lease a LR version first since landscaping places are selling it for $50-100 per ton.

Ryan S.

[tewa]

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I don't see anyone disputing that a BS/BH setup is a good shower filter. But with media that is 100+X the cost of LR and significantly higher than other media as well, I find it interesting that not a single BS/BH user that I have heard of every bothered to try the method itself (with other trays/media) before buying the snake oil. JR may find some magical properties of BH, but I find it odd that so many would buy into something without bother testing at lease a LR version first since landscaping places are selling it for $50-100 per ton.

Ryan S.[/quote]

Junglegeorge has tested it so has another member on koiphen that was using lava rock on all his ponds changed all over to BH (6 ponds I believe)

tewa

[Ryan S.]

If you happen to see them, can you PM me links to those posts?

[dick benbow]

just for the record: Often times Cliff Neale in the UK is used as the poster person for the media. Under neath the entire length of his deck adjacent to the pond is a filter system filled with rolling k-1.

do not take this as If I'm pushing thoughts one way or another. I use BS/BH with J-mat and am very satisfied. Just want the truth out there is all......

[James P]

Tewa, I'm done with you and your child-like responses. Please ignore my posts and I'll let you know when I want to talk with you again. Until then, I suggest you go play in traffic, at least until I'm done before you try discrediting my efforts. You really don't have a clue do you? (That is called a rhetorical question, meaning it requires no response)



JR

[Nancy M.]

Quote: Originally Posted by JR Tewa, I'm done with you and your child-like responses. Please ignore my posts and I'll let you know when I want to talk with you again. Until then, I suggest you go play in traffic, at least until I'm done before you try discrediting my efforts. You really don't have a clue do you? (That is called a rhetorical question, meaning it requires no response) JR

Jim
Is that like what I use to tell me daughter when she was little. Children are to be seen and not heard.

Tewa you really should give it a rest. I for one am tired of all the BS that is coming from this thread. If you can't play nice than go to time out.

The sad part is there is alot of good info coming into this thread.. Then the childish games ruin it.

[woodyaht]

I know I am probably going to be slammed for what I am about to say, but here goes.


I am still subscribed to this thread so I still get e-mails for a new post. Since the BS started early on in the thread, I quit reading this thread entirely. But when I recieved a e-mail that JR had posted, I opened it up.

Nancy, This is Tewa's thread and numerous people have kept it calm for a while. If they want to keep trying to figure out BH, go for it.

JR, you are a very well respected person in the hobby. You guys beat this topic to a bloody pulp on Koiphen, and didn't get anywhere. For someone of your standing in the hobby, why do you feel the need to continue posting on this knowing that it is just going to create more drama. Beating a dead horse comes to mind.

[aquitori]

If it works it works, everyones system is different and that is pretty much the truth.
Can anyone say why BH works? No.
Have I used it? No.
Do I want to use it? No.
Why? The system that is on my pond now is working, don't want to change what is working.

Note to Tewa: Just let this thread die, no need to press on with this...I am more interested in the MOMOTARO Food than the BS and BH...

[James P]

Chris, no one owns this thread , not me, not Tewa or you. But if you would like me to stay off this thread I will. Mike S come on over to NI and we can finish the idea about turn over. I'm interested in your understanding of what goes on or doesn't go on with different rates of speed. JR