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Old 11-20-2004   #11 (permalink)
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I agree, that the spawning wouldn't have set the Koi back too much in terms of growth. But, imagine two round blue bowls of about 80cm diameter full of fry from around 10cm to about 30cm. These bowls were containing fry, not water. Some of them were actually decent looking Koi, but were still thrown out because their parents were not known. All of these Koi were competing with about 65 bigger Koi for the daily food rations. I have one Sanke that grew like a freak despite this, coming out at 65cm. The most popular size out of the pond was abour 55cm.

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Old 11-20-2004   #12 (permalink)
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Maurice, thanks for sharing your pics and stories. Glad you were able to pull MS into the mix. We never hear from that guy.

The pattern on your koi for what you picked her for is very nice. I like the deep sashi. will be interesting to see what you pair her with. any ideas yet?
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Dick, if the kohaku continues to perform and is good enough to stay in Japan, she will not come to the UK till autumn 2006, or spring 2007.
She will be used for breeding in 2007, the plan is by then I shall have my own bred males to pair up with her.
I expect the males will be of Momotaro line, produced from Eagle line female and Sakurahime line male.

I plan on running several totally different lines of kohaku, some close to Momotaro. I also have a female kohaku, which I am told is from one of the purest line sensuke kohaku still produced. I shall try for a while to keep this female for my sensuke males I have had for years, or perhaps some others lines I have.

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Old 11-21-2004   #14 (permalink)
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sensuke,...

"I also have a female kohaku, which I am told is from one of the purest line sensuke kohaku still produced."

Hi Maurice,

I'm a huge Sensuke Kohaku Groupie,... do you have any photos of yours you can share? Do you know it's origins?

Also, thanks much to you & Mike Snaden for sharing the Maeda Koi photos,... some excellent looking Koi!

Best Wishes,
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Brady, the story of my sensuke kohaku is a long one, January 2003 I went to the All Japan show. After I went up to Niigata and then later travelled south to Mihara to meet up with our friend Naoki. It was during one of the rare occasions they had snow in the Hiroshima area. Naoki drove his car from Tokyo and had planned picking me up from Mihara station, but the weather was so severe he could only get his car off the express way and dump it in a filling station. He phoned one of the breeders we were visiting to explain we were stranded, this was a young breeder called Oyama.

Oyama san said not to worry and he would collect us and take us back to his place in the 4 wheel drive truck. He lives in the mountains, the name of the prefecture escape me right now, weather came in worst, he decided it was silly taking us back to our pre-booked hotel and asked us to stay with him and his family.

Well we ended staying 3 nights with him, he was good enough to ferry us round to the planned breeders and each even we returned to his home. Naoki had pictures of all my koi on his laptop and we spent hours looking through them and discussing their merits. One male koi I owned drew his attention, he was impressed by it’s quality, but said it needed a very special female to pair with, less it may produce many heavy pattern and bengoi babies.

Anyway on the last day of our stay with Oyama san, I was looking in his 2 year old sales pond and asked if he thought he had koi which may make suitable oyagoi for me, he hustled me off to his pond with all his big koi and pointed to a superb tancho kohaku. He explained that my male he was looking at the evening before had many qualities, but the pattern was a little heavy and may pass on to its babies. In his eyes this would be the perfect partner for it.

I looked at the koi and could not see how I was going to be able to afford that sort of quality at that point in time. He went on to explain that he was a breeder of sanke, showa and kohaku, he had bought the tancho as nisai for the express purpose of using it for oyagoi, but during the summer decided to sell his oyagoi kohaku and concentrate on sanke and showa. Well at the time this tancho was in the mud pond growing and stayed there till harvest. He went on to say that the tancho had a small kink in its leading dorsal ray and this stopped it being a show koi, he had bought it from a small breeder who had stuck very closely to the original sensuke line. He thought it was the purest sensuke available?

Anyway he went on to say he was impressed at what I had achieved so far and wanted to help if he could, he said I could have the tancho for what he had paid at nisai. An absolute bargain for me, she was then sansai and 66cm. It was 40cm when he placed it in the mud pond, he thought it would grow very large, but advised me that working on my own, it was better not to try and grow the koi too large, as handling large koi on your own is very difficult, it did not need to be big, it was carrying the genes to pass on.

Anyway that is the story of my sensuke tancho kohaku, sadly I have never found out the name of the breeder. Somehow it got forgotten, it’s hard when having to work through an interpreter.

She's 70 something now, I did not get chance to use her this year, but will next.



Straight from the bag from Japan, Feb 03. I do not a have current photo.

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Maurice's search for breeding stock!

Maurice,all this is so interesting,in its own rightbut I hope you are keeping notes as I think I see a book coming on. Seriously,what a book it would make,all that koi lore and your obvious dedication.Think about it,I will place my order now.

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Maurice,


fantastic koi and a fantastic story,i always find your posts very intresting and with the work you do i can appreciate the time all of this takes.

Thankyou and keep up the good work,how are all your babies coming along?

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