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Old 02-11-2005   #61 (permalink)
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Mike...you've peaked my curiousity now. Next time over to the shop I will get a photo for you to look at. One thing about this little showa is it's personality. Loves staying still and posing for the camera....should be easy to get a couple really good close ups.
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Showa dynamics,...

A couple of Showa siblings - same mother - both determined to be male - both began life as black fry. The Showa is quite a dynamic fish,... a wide range of "styles" within one variety,... a broad range of body styles,... a broad range of color characteristics and textures,... as well as skin characteristics.

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Mike/Maurice,

Thanks for a facinating insight into Sumi. I'd heard Mike mention a few times that you have to look for the Sumi on the Shiroji and forget any on the Beni, but these pictures you've posted Maurice brings it home a little more. I been checking some of my own Koi pictures when I selected small Showa and can see now where I perhaps didnt choose quite right. Was always 'expecting' the Sumi to come up where it was grey, now I know what to look for in more detail.

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Bob, showa can be a real lottery, that’s why they are such fun.

As Brady has posted above they can vary so much, even from the same spawn.



Knowing the breeders ‘product’ helps some, but can’t be held as gospel. As I’m sure you are aware from any breeding most are total rubbish, as the breeder culls time and time again, the numbers reduce. End of the season he many have a few hundred ‘keepers’ from the spawn. With 3 coloured koi, not only do you need a good kohaku pattern, but you also need sumi, as has been shown above, not all sumi is equal.



From the spawn above, there may be a few the breeder sees or believes to have real high quality, well placed sumi. These koi don’t go out with the general grade, if for sale a real premium has to be paid for these koi. The rest going onto the general market become this lottery, they will vary in price from cheap to very expensive, depending on the qualities on show. Picking one from this lottery is where the hobbyist eye comes in, even koi with the same price tag are not equal.



I just pass on the same information given to me and the knowledge gained from watching many so, so and just a few better quality shows I have owned. I’ve imported many while dealing in Japanese koi, I’ve been sucked in by batches of beautiful looking showa, with so much potential, I’ve kept some of these koi and have watched others I have sold. Many still look very pretty, but few have developed the sumi which looked to have so much potential.



We just have to remember, every koi has it’s price, but not every koi ends up looking the way the breeder, the dealer, or the hobbyist may have hoped.

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Showa selection,...

Some of the descriptions in this thread of what to look for in Showa are painting a very critical picture of Showa,... I think if we're too critical, we'll miss much of the enjoyment of Showa.

If we take a look at the 2005 All Japan Grand Champion we do see sumi primarily on the red, we do see unfinished sumi on the white - and sumi that will never finish, red "peeking" through the sumi,... and on and on, YET, this fish has just risen to the very TOP of the world of Koi,... what more do we want out of a Koi???. Yes, sumi is an important element of Showa, but body shape is also, and balance is as well, and skin quality is very much so,..., and the quality and clarity of red and white,...

Any thoughts on the All Japan Champion as a Showa???

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A link to Brian's wonderful photo:
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Showa characteristics,...

This Showa was awarded a Kokugyo Prize in Japan - can be seen in a back issue of Rinko, then went on to take Grand Champion honors at some shows in the US - this pic was taken in the US.

The overall impression is very nice, and the unfinished sumi on the white produces an interesting accent. Not a large fish, about 25" or 63 cm.

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Agree with your sentiments Brady!

If we all got really picky about Showa, we would all be looking only at really expensive ones. This would result in 99% of Showa being thrown out, and the remaining 1% costing ten times the price due to demand outrunning supply! And, there is a challenge with trying to choose good ones from cheaper Koi. A gamble, yes, but great fun!

Dan, get a whole pile of pics, from all angles, and come back and post them! :-)

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Will do Mike....probably tomorrow.
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Brady: I've been enjoying just reading this thread. Even better than your Hi lesson a few months back. But have to respond to your query about the GC Showa. I did not care much for her at first... fine koi, but a GC at that level of competition? Then, as you study her, she starts becoming more interesting due to the relationships of Sumi bands and the motoguro. Except for the photos shot with the perfect filters and lighting, the Shiro is not as clean as one would like. The Hi does not have the uniformity of GC level Kohaku. So, why does she impress so much? The even quality of the Sumi gives her great presence. The Hi is part of the background canvas, like landscaping behind a central figure. It does not compete with the Sumi. The Hi lets the Sumi dominate. Combined with her size, I can imagine that she would have a dominating presence in the flesh, although a little more volume could improve her to my eye. ..... A good example of imperfect parts nicely packaged. And, a very strong impression that is Showa.
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Is it the best ever showa produced?

This statement had been printed in a certain koi keepers magazine. Do people agree with it? If not, what is your nomination for the best ever showa?
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