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Koi-Schmid-Linden · 04-29-2005

Hi,

I've got a question about Chagoi.

Does anyone have any experience with Hirashin Chagoi.
My Dealer has a very nice one, with a red/brown color.

It's totaly clear!

Has anyone experience with appearing shimi?

It's a nissai with about 42cm.

I'll be happy about some comments.

Regards Nico

edit: I dont have a better or closer picture, but better then nothing. My Dealer is a reliable source for the information about that Koi

dick benbow · 04-29-2005

Naturally, the Shusui caught my eye! (lol)

I love chagoi tho and that red or real light green are my favorites. They do
turn darker with harder GH/KH water and also they will turn black in area where they are bruised or joseled in transit.

My guess is your koi that your considering is male. I'd like to see you get a female because they get so big and friendly but maybe you pond is really not that big.

It sounds like your drawn to the koi so why don't you consider getting it and trying to do the best by it and learning from it. The prettiest one i ever saw like that was a GR red. It was named Cathy after the dealer's wife and looked for all the world to be a female. Yup, turned out to be a male.(lol)

Koi-Schmid-Linden · 04-29-2005

I think, I'll buy it and see.

It's not the worst Chagoi I could get.

Hirashin is known for Chagoi and a perfect looking Nissai wouldn't turn in a horrible one...

aquitori · 04-30-2005

I think the thing with Chagoi is their personality and size...I have to Chagois in my pond that I raised from tosai and it is fun to watch them grow. I think the only problem when choose Chagoi is picking which color you like and picking one with very good conformation. I hope you enjoy Chagoi.

Koi-Schmid-Linden · 04-30-2005

In my eyes Shimis could a problem....

Nobody bad experiences with appearing Shimi on Chagoi?

ChrisC · 04-30-2005

I don't have a Chagoi, so have no experience with possible shimis.

I find it interesting that, as I watched all of the koi videos my club has to offer, in almost every one a few of the koi keepers would state that their Chagoi was their very favorite fish.

I had heard that Nishikigoi "begins and ends with Kohaku" and from a show perspective, that might be true. But the "affectionate memory" award seems to go to Chagoi. (Unless you are Dick, in which case the raves go to blue fish.)

Am I wrong??

keokoi · 04-30-2005

Yeah you will see a lot of chagois that are dirty. hard to find a clean older one. I have seen one from Hirasawa and it is the green tone one. I cannot wait to go to Japan. I hope Hiraswa's farm is all good an maybe hope I can find a clean 28-30" chagoi.

Have fun with this little guy.

Joe

Koi-Schmid-Linden · 04-30-2005

Thx Joe.

I'm also interested in such a 3 year Hirasawa Chagoi or an 2 year Karashigoi from Konishi or Takigawa.

My Dealer will visit Japan this Fall, so I'm watching forward....

dick benbow · 04-30-2005

Joe, like your bonsai unit logo!

the comment on shimmi's in this thread leads us right into the thread that talks about water softeners and the eventual need/ education on how to constructively ( and financially) afford to regulate water!

I just love my asagi's and really wouldn't be able to enjoy them without some control!

Arthur · 04-30-2005

Chagoi are really much fun. I have one I purchased as nisai at around 16". It is now 5 years old and 30+" (have not measured it yet this Spring). The story about this koi is that until last year everybody (including me) thought it was female. I mean female everything: temperament, behavior, looks, all of it.

It was so obviously female that I even never thought of trying to milk it. That was until last Spring's checkup when Tony had it in the tub lining it for measurement and went "Oh ho, it is a male! (finding roughness on the gill plates)".

A year later it still looks female. I will post a photo in a couple of weeks.
A great Chagoi: brick red with dark blue netting.

A Chagoi is said to bring peace in a koi pond. This is due to their poised attitude when a disturbance occurs: all the other koi look up and see the undisturbed Chagoi and think "all is OK because Chagoi is not thinking much about it".

04-29-2005	#1 (permalink)
Koi-Schmid-Linden Nisai Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 56	Hirashin Chagoi Hi, I've got a question about Chagoi. Does anyone have any experience with Hirashin Chagoi. My Dealer has a very nice one, with a red/brown color. It's totaly clear! Has anyone experience with appearing shimi? It's a nissai with about 42cm. I'll be happy about some comments. Regards Nico edit: I dont have a better or closer picture, but better then nothing. My Dealer is a reliable source for the information about that Koi Attached Thumbnails

04-30-2005	#10 (permalink)
Arthur Sansai Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 169	Chagoi are really much fun. I have one I purchased as nisai at around 16". It is now 5 years old and 30+" (have not measured it yet this Spring). The story about this koi is that until last year everybody (including me) thought it was female. I mean female everything: temperament, behavior, looks, all of it. It was so obviously female that I even never thought of trying to milk it. That was until last Spring's checkup when Tony had it in the tub lining it for measurement and went "Oh ho, it is a male! (finding roughness on the gill plates)". A year later it still looks female. I will post a photo in a couple of weeks. A great Chagoi: brick red with dark blue netting. A Chagoi is said to bring peace in a koi pond. This is due to their poised attitude when a disturbance occurs: all the other koi look up and see the undisturbed Chagoi and think "all is OK because Chagoi is not thinking much about it". __________________ Arthur

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04-29-2005	#2 (permalink)
dick benbow Honmei Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 4,164	Naturally, the Shusui caught my eye! (lol) I love chagoi tho and that red or real light green are my favorites. They do turn darker with harder GH/KH water and also they will turn black in area where they are bruised or joseled in transit. My guess is your koi that your considering is male. I'd like to see you get a female because they get so big and friendly but maybe you pond is really not that big. It sounds like your drawn to the koi so why don't you consider getting it and trying to do the best by it and learning from it. The prettiest one i ever saw like that was a GR red. It was named Cathy after the dealer's wife and looked for all the world to be a female. Yup, turned out to be a male.(lol)

04-29-2005	#3 (permalink)
Koi-Schmid-Linden Nisai Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 56	I think, I'll buy it and see. It's not the worst Chagoi I could get. Hirashin is known for Chagoi and a perfect looking Nissai wouldn't turn in a horrible one...

04-30-2005	#4 (permalink)
aquitori Daihonmei Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: DA 408 Posts: 7,419	I think the thing with Chagoi is their personality and size...I have to Chagois in my pond that I raised from tosai and it is fun to watch them grow. I think the only problem when choose Chagoi is picking which color you like and picking one with very good conformation. I hope you enjoy Chagoi.

04-30-2005	#5 (permalink)
Koi-Schmid-Linden Nisai Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 56	In my eyes Shimis could a problem.... Nobody bad experiences with appearing Shimi on Chagoi?

04-30-2005	#6 (permalink)
ChrisC Tategoi Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 308	I don't have a Chagoi, so have no experience with possible shimis. I find it interesting that, as I watched all of the koi videos my club has to offer, in almost every one a few of the koi keepers would state that their Chagoi was their very favorite fish. I had heard that Nishikigoi "begins and ends with Kohaku" and from a show perspective, that might be true. But the "affectionate memory" award seems to go to Chagoi. (Unless you are Dick, in which case the raves go to blue fish.) Am I wrong??

04-30-2005	#7 (permalink)
keokoi Honmei Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,684	Yeah you will see a lot of chagois that are dirty. hard to find a clean older one. I have seen one from Hirasawa and it is the green tone one. I cannot wait to go to Japan. I hope Hiraswa's farm is all good an maybe hope I can find a clean 28-30" chagoi. Have fun with this little guy. Joe

04-30-2005	#8 (permalink)
Koi-Schmid-Linden Nisai Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 56	Thx Joe. I'm also interested in such a 3 year Hirasawa Chagoi or an 2 year Karashigoi from Konishi or Takigawa. My Dealer will visit Japan this Fall, so I'm watching forward....

04-30-2005	#9 (permalink)
dick benbow Honmei Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 4,164	Joe, like your bonsai unit logo! the comment on shimmi's in this thread leads us right into the thread that talks about water softeners and the eventual need/ education on how to constructively ( and financially) afford to regulate water! I just love my asagi's and really wouldn't be able to enjoy them without some control!