Sani-Tred (permaflex) product.

[MikeM]

Luke: You gotta post some pics over here ... a new thread maybe?

Steve, Akino, Ryan: There is real benefit to anyone thinking of building a pond to share the pluses and minuses of all these products. I think every situation is different. People are working with their own conditions, budgets and availability. How about your thoughts on comparisons?

[luke frisbee]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nancy M. Hi Luke Do you have pictures of this Stucco? I would like to see it. I have never heard of this type of application. Would enjoy hearing more.

Nancy,
you can go to themudpond.com and see them stuccoing the "lake". Most Everything about "LakeLuke" is under the "pond construction" section and it is the thread titled, "LAKELUKE". The thread starts with me with a shovel in hand and goes for about 16 pages(?). With pics of the rebar being placed, the base being poured, block being laid. 3 Bullet-proof windows, and the Xypex stucco being applied. The stucco looks like regular stucco.
there are also quite a few sites about xypex. If after you've gone to the sites and still have a question, I'll be happy to give you any insight I have. but intruth it applied just like stucco ...as you can see in those pics....
PS If you plan on reading the whole theread I hope you have an hour of free time.

[Koi-san]

Quote: Originally Posted by Steve E What all of this boils down to is the individual pond owner's choice based on what ever research they do themselves or what their contractor offers. Once again, I am NOT putting down any other product. A question was asked about permaflex and I attempted to answer that question. Steve

Steve,

Thank you for sharing the information on SaniTred products and their application process. This is exactly what I was seaking for, very informative.

You are hitting the main point on this threat. The informmation you and others shared, allows pond onwers to choose the alternative sealent products to fit their preference in pond design.

Regards,
Sanh

[Steve E]

MikeM,Comparing the various products would be a good thing. I think a comparson page would be a good start for someone trying to decide on which product to use on their pond. I think it would have to be broken down by basic pond shell construction type. In ground concrete (cementious) or block, In ground liner/poly/fiberglass with no retaining structure, and above ground other than concrete are the ones that come to mind. That would give the viewer a look at the various products for the same application.

Then the attributes we would want to compare would need to be developed. Then establish a format to present those attributes and I think it could be done in an equitable manner.

My first take would be: a) type of product, aa) is it a two part material, b) can it be applied by the pond owner or is specialized equipment required, c) personal protective equipment required to apply the product, d) cost of the product, e) ease of application, i.e. working time, f) how many coats are required, g) minimum and maximum curing times between coats, h) if a misteak is made how long must you wait before reapplying, i) what does it stick to, j) environmental conditions requirements (temp, humidity, etc), k) curing time of any concrete retaining shell, l) how well does it withstand reverse hydrostatic pressure, m) is a primer required and what does it do for the product, n) comments

A starting point and may need word smithing to provide the information you are thinking about.

Then we would need a lead person to write about each product and maybe share the draft to be sure all of the pertinent information is included.

I would hope that somehow the less than desirable attributes would be presented in a factual manner. That is why I believe it would work best if an initial draft was reviewed by others. Also there is the question of who is going to write the descriptions.

Is this along the lines of your thoughts?

Steve

[Akinosan]

Hey Steve,
I think thats a great idea. I first read about Polyurea in Koi USA and I just had to find out more about it. My first pond was built with a EPDM liner and Aquascape skimmer & biofalls. I was extremely happy with that system until I started learning more about Koi, and then my submersible pump shorted out, killing seven of my best Koi! I then took all the rock and liner out of the pond and went bigger and deeper. Next was deciding who was going to spray my pond, and I chose Jeff Duncal who was and is learning from Tim & Adam Zuber. I couldn't pass up the opportunity to have that combination doing my pond, so the rest is history. I am incredibly happy with the results, and I think the fish are enjoying their new digs also. There is a lot of choices out there, and most of them are good products. I just happen to have a niece who had to replace her swimming pool after an earthquake, and knew I didn't want any part of that. Perhaps others could share their reasons for how they decided on the materials they have used.
Reuben

[Artie]

Has anyone ever found permaflex in clear , hate to cover the stones ! I UNDERSTAND THIS STUFF REALLY DOES A GOOD JOB> Any Feed Backs on its results

[BobinCA]

Quote: Originally Posted by Artie Has anyone ever found permaflex in clear , hate to cover the stones ! I UNDERSTAND THIS STUFF REALLY DOES A GOOD JOB> Any Feed Backs on its results

Yes, it does an excellent job!! I did my entire pond in permaflex/LRB.
And it is "easy to apply".
It comes in tan or black from what I understand....check out the website.
www.sanitred.com


Bob (in CA)

[bekko]

The Sanitred web site says you can waterproof anything including a wicker basket or a cardboard box. So, why can't you waterproof a whole in the ground and a layer of geotextile fabric?

-steveho pkins

[kingkong]

It would seem to depend on the substrate integrity the cloth was being applied to. Permaflex is a water containment system as opposed to a structural system. If the depression in the ground was stable, why not just apply a thin layer of rubber on cloth.

[karipeters]

that the product was used on, and it looked great and sealed well. The question I have is how long has the product been around and can anyone report on a pond that has used the product 3-5 years ago?