US Bred

[Chagoi]

Hi Chris: Interesting point of view. We Americans don't have the passion as the Japanese do???..then why have numerous folks mentioned on all of the boards and some that are not mentioned have spent over a million dollars breeding koi and developing koi? For the money..I don't think so...we all love koi!!!

Any time you would like to come up to our farm and or visit Brett's, Brady's, Quality Koi, Lee Family Koi, and our farm Morninglight Koi farm any of us will show you PASSION!

Brian Drake
Morninglight Koi farm

[woodyaht]

Quote: Originally Posted by Chagoi Hi Chris: Interesting point of view. We Americans don't have the passion as the Japanese do???..then why have numerous folks mentioned on all of the boards and some that are not mentioned have spent over a million dollars breeding koi and developing koi? For the money..I don't think so...we all love koi!!! Any time you would like to come up to our farm and or visit Brett's, Brady's, Quality Koi, Lee Family Koi, and our farm Morninglight Koi farm any of us will show you PASSION! Brian Drake Morninglight Koi farm

Sorry didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. What I am thinking and what I type can be two different things. We all definatly have passion for koi, and the US breeders too, but thers' a difference I see that is hard to put into words.
Maybe the best way to say it is, if Sakai Hiroshima was to pack up his parent koi, and knowledge and move to a similar climate in the US would he produce the same quality. I would say yes.
What I meant by passion, is all inclusive with a Japanese bredder, the years of a bloodline, and the generations of knowledge. Most everyone in the US I would say is first generation into the business or hobby, and having numerous generations of knowledge, and sucesses and failures would play a huge part in the sucess of breeding top quality koi in the US.

Can top quality koi be produced in the US, I believe it can and will happen. Do I think a All Japan koi come from the US, I think it will happen some day. But I think it will all depend on knowledge and the stock available to breed from.
Yes there's is some great knowledge in the US, that's a given, but do our culling and fish handling techniques compare, I don't think so YET.

The key is learning what we can from the Japanese and applying it here at home. But the problem is, getting that knowledge, who has time to spend years over there learning and then come back here to breed koi as they were tought. Being koi are a "annual" learning experience, it just takes time. There's always next year when we made a mistake this year.

[woodyaht]

Back to the subject the one thing that strikes me funny is, the way we look at koi is the way humans used to look at breeding humans. But in this civilized world we live in the ideas of yesteryear have went by the wayside. Years ago, you would look at a woman and a man as good breeding stock, "she has full hips", "he is tall, 230lbs. strong, he'd produce good stong offspring", just like looking at a Koi's conformation.

You put 2 good looking humans together they produce good looking offspring, normally, some need to be culled sometimes

What I am saying is, over time I think that the US will give Japan stong competition in the Koi industry.

[aquitori]

Quote: Originally Posted by woodyaht I think another thing that US breeders are at fault over is they don't have the passion that the Japanese do. Maurice is the only person that I have seen that has a goal. The US breeders seem to want to produce "koi", but they aren't going for the high end market. They want to have their sales tanks full of pretty, colorful fish to sell to the family that shows up to the farm on a Sat. with their children saying we want to buy some koi for our 200gal. pond. The Japanese definatly have a passion, they want to produce beauty, not we have a special on pumps and UV's today, and we have beautiful koi to sell you too

I dont think it's a passion issue, but more of a money issue...Some of these Breeders in Japan inherit the family farm and the breeders here are starting up from scratch. I am sure if US breeders had the money to back up the breeding programs where it is suppose to be, their would be no issue...

[keokoi]

US breeders have passion... Or else they would't do it. They also have godo parent stock... Japan breeders have Parent stock and many of them. Sometiems the crop aint so good.. But that is why they have many other parent stock.. Big time Breeders like in SO. Japan have a lot of room with lost of parent stock..


Both have passion... The other is a way of life. Gotta go and see in the homeland to understand....

ALL JAPAN GC winner come from US....

Hmmmm, Chris in Niigata alone there are over 400 breeders in Niigata alone.. I would say 500 but I dunno what the quake did as of yet..

[woodyaht]

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ALL JAPAN GC winner come from US....

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I didn't say it would happen in our life time

[aquitori]

[quote=woodyaht][quote=keokoi]
ALL JAPAN GC winner come from US....

Quote: I didn't say it would happen in our life time

I would have to say that Taiwan and China are knocking at the Japanese door as far as quality goes...But I would have to say that never will a koi from the US be able to win in Japan.

[dick benbow]

Mat Mc Cann and his sidekick Ross at quality koi both are passonate about their operation. Mat was befriended by Toshio Sakai who provides parent and culling information. in my opinion he will be one of the leaders in the developing American
Market. I'm seriously thinking about flying back there (new jersey) in October to spend some time with them and look around first hand. besides i want to see my
asagi come out of the mudpond. She's the one that's on my post! Mike from hawaii helped me name her!

[Maurice]

Luke, you've got to believe in yourself and man 'I believe'.

You know that show you went to in the UK? One day!

I'm looking all the time for the 'right' koi to send you.

Hope you're doing well and have that lake under control!

Here are a couple of 6 week old showa, hope I know what I'm doing with this culling thing?

If I do the middle one had better go!
Maurice.

[saratogatan]

i think the reputatble breeders outside of japanese all have passion, but they have not learn enough to reach nirvana in koi-dom. OK, we have some pretty bad breeders in this country, but they don't do anaything to slow the rest of the breeders down.

I have some not so vivid memory about a regulation barring kois not from Japan competing in jananese koi event, even japanese koi that have set foot on foreign soil (can that be possible?) are not allowed. Can the enlightened ones on this board help clarify this ?

stan