A Lagit question on a Bakki Shower Installation

[junglegeorge12]

The water from my shower bottom runs down a rock creek at a small angle, then falls about 2 feet into the water, so it is moving pretty fast by the time it hits. Hard to get a pic of it since the water is agitated and I don't have an underwater camera. I noticed it the other day when I slipped and fell in, my son thought it was hilarious!

Seems like the only thing you didn't think about in advance was having a group of smaller ponds (ie split that bad boy into four) so you can afford a filter and pump for it! The only other route would be to rent a well drilling machine and drill a deep well with a good size pipe so you can turn it into a fresh fed pond system like a mud pond. Better get permission to do that from your local authorities though, you would be creating a small creek. Any nearby farmers might pay you for a line to their farm, good way to finance your new addiction. I live at the top of a mountain and have a massive fresh soft water well, the farmers below me grow veggies and coffee, and are fighting over who gets to have my water run off. They even want the cull for fertilizer. It goes to whoever helps me on culling day!

There is one other possibility I have seen for you, that is a pump they use on Lake Michigan under docking areas to stimulate the water so it doesn't freeze in the winter time. They are relatively cheap.

Also, get an R/O filter to lower your phosphates and get your ph between 7.0-7.2, that should reduce algae growth alot. Erecting a canopy over it will help too.

I have the benefit of 50-100 year old flamboyans and pines and a variety of palms and tropical trees. I can put six 1000 ton ponds in shade here. We get very few visitors up here, but enjoy entertaining them when they come. We try not to treat them like the dogs, but sometimes we can't resist the temptation.

We also have another property that sits in a natural rice pattie, with a soft water aquifer feeding it and a fresh river going right down the middle of it. One of my buddies is a vietnam veteran and is looking forward to working the ponds and crawling around the rice patties and defending them. I told him we could rent him a house down there and he said ,"House? No way, I want a tent!" Anyone crazy enough to get past that guy to steal a koi deserves one.

[D@z]

Quote: Originally Posted by luke frisbee D@Z, those that can, do, those that can't do but know, coach, those that can't do and don't know sit in the stands....and tell everyone what they could do...but for some reason they don't... Show us you can do what you say...break out the "FLUENT" and prepare to defend that as well.

You completely miss my point. I dont give a monkeys whether you think I'm right or wrong. I really couldn't care less. I've posted my opinion (could be right, could be complete garbage) and thats that, I dont have the urge or the need to convince everyone how clever (or not) I am. Science is what I get paid a lot of money for, I dont enjoy it, I leave it behind when I walk out of the lab.

This is my hobby.

To reiterate my opinion. The shower principle is all about energy. Energising the water. A fourth tier receives the cleanest water with the highest energy hence in my opinion adding a fourth tier will reap benefits above and beyond a simple linear progression.

[James P]

Sorry to torture you further here or to play tag team with the Lukster but I just have to ask--

what water energy are you talking about? I though we were talking about a biological process? Its true that energy is transferred to microbes as the water is purified of highly toxic inorganics but I don't think that is what you mean?
You do mention cleaner water as you get to the last tray. You're not suggesting mechanical action are you? Because the manufacturer and marketing types here insist that no trapping occurs in the BH.
This all brings us back to this nagging question- what does speed or turnover rate have to do with overall performance. Especially in the area of organic removal/pulverization? Certainly ANY speed would effectively remove inorganic ammonia--- but I digress

[poey]

hi

when i had the single shower running on the old pond(2000gals)when i first installed it the turn over was around 100%as this was the output of the pump i was using on the old filter system,at this turn over all the water params where good but the water clarity was poor.
i then upgraded the pump to take the turnover to around 150% the water clarity improved greatly.from this i would conclude that the increased flow over the showers must pound what ever solids go through the shower into smaller pieces to enable the bacteria to consume the waste,be removed by the water changes?
cheers Dave.

[Bancherd]

Quote: Originally Posted by luke frisbee the speed increases as the water drops through the air. the Splashing definitely changes the speed and direction of the water, as does any "tight" areas in the bakki media...AND if you believe that water tavels THROUGH the BM then the water slows to a crawl....And at the bottom of each tray there appears to be a structure that ensures the water is redistributed (the japanese have a name for these plates but it escapes me now), to redistribute the water it is STOPPED to the point that it flows all over the plate and then passes to the next tray...where this is repeated..the accelrating and the decelerating ....

Luke, you got it!

What about this idea for utilizing BH with low head pumps? Put a layer of BH on a wide incline(with constraints), with water flowing down from the top of the incline through this layer of BH. There should be enough turbulence around each piece of BH, similar to what we see on shallow creeks. This will take more area to use the BH though. Would this work?

[junglegeorge12]

the potential energy JR, if you want to know more you will have to hire your own research team qualified for the job! Good luck, let me know how the search for that goes!