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[keokoi]

Quote: Originally Posted by aquitori Hey Joe, I just got my bowl and I think they sent me the wrong size.

that not a bowl.. That is a house for some people over here near the beach.. I think you can rent that to a UCSC student as a Studio..

Joe

[Ryan S.]

There is a chinese bowl that one online retailer sells that is a little lighter that I like better, cheaper also. Its is only 20" wide though, that is only size.

AES used to sell tubs, blue a little dark for a bowl, but good for measuring, they were only $15 or so (they carry only light grey now), floats good with a couple holes in bottom.

Some totes work OK, only around $4 bucks or so. let light in better.

[andy rose]

As mentioned on page 1 by Tony Prew the Hydra bowls could be you answer.
i do not know if they are available in the states but i got mine from japanese water gardens in the uk.
Mine is 80cm the range goes up to 2.2 meters i think.
my bowl is light blue in colour with near vertical sides and very deep cannot remember the cost but i think it was ok

[dinh]

not so bad for 15 bucks ;-))

Quote: Originally Posted by Ryan S. There is a chinese bowl that one online retailer sells that is a little lighter that I like better, cheaper also. Its is only 20" wide though, that is only size. AES used to sell tubs, blue a little dark for a bowl, but good for measuring, they were only $15 or so (they carry only light grey now), floats good with a couple holes in bottom. Some totes work OK, only around $4 bucks or so. let light in better.

[schildkoi]

I like the deeper blue (not dark) verses the powder blue bowls. I have a large Hydra, 30" powder blue bowl with the high sides. I also have a large Lim bowl (30"?) in the deeper blue and a fiberglass powder blue measuring tub (30"). My favorite of the 3 is the Lim bowl. My experience is that "jumpers" usually do so because of the size of the bowl, not the hieght, along with the amount of water within it. A larger bowl (to fit the Koi) with just enough water to cover the Koi works well for me. In addition, when photgraping Koi, it works better to use a darker area, a flash, and a polarizer filter. With this combination, the deeper blue provides a better background since the flash has a tendancy to "wash out" the powder blue more than the deeper blue. The deeper blue is also a closer match to that of a typical US show tank (Pearls of Paradise) as well and gives a more accurate presentation in comparison. The funny thing is, that the Lim bowls used to be much lighter (still not a powder blue though) back in the mid to late 90s. I think he changed to the deeper blue based upon the requests of his customers.

Steve

[keokoi]

Some other things to add to Steve's comments...

The Lim bowl is 32 inches but tapers down to the bottom. The darker blue works best with a flsh. Natural light as always is best for photos.

The Hydra Bowl similar to the Hydra bowl is a lighter blue. I like this as it lets a bit more light in so a flash is not needed. The sides are straighter so at bottom it is the same as the opening of the bowl.

One thing that Steve brought up is that fish will not jump if water is barely coverering the dorsal. I think this works the majority of the time. I have seen fish jump regardless of height of water. But one thing is certain even with a poloraized filter, is that when the water is too low then it makes it more difficult to take a picture because of too much ripple in the water. So it is better to have more water in it for photos.



As said in a previous post. This is not to take away from Lims tubs. I think they are great. I bought my Japanese tub which is not very economic but wanted one for taking photos and for the comfort of fish to not crater in the ground.

My experience is with photos is when taking pics with an extra hand is easier than by yourself. When your by yourself the comfort issue is there knowing fishy cannot make it out of the tub


JMHO

Joe

[keokoi]

Aquitori asked me to retake my photos of the bowls cause height difference was hard to tell.

1 of the photos you can see the natural light bust through tub which I like for photos..

Once again just my opinion.


Joe

[koinut]

Quote: Originally Posted by keokoi Some other things to add to Steve's comments... The Lim bowl is 32 inches but tapers down to the bottom. The darker blue works best with a flsh. Natural light as always is best for photos. The Hydra Bowl similar to the Hydra bowl is a lighter blue. I like this as it lets a bit more light in so a flash is not needed. The sides are straighter so at bottom it is the same as the opening of the bowl. One thing that Steve brought up is that fish will not jump if water is barely coverering the dorsal. I think this works the majority of the time. I have seen fish jump regardless of height of water. But one thing is certain even with a poloraized filter, is that when the water is too low then it makes it more difficult to take a picture because of too much ripple in the water. So it is better to have more water in it for photos. As said in a previous post. This is not to take away from Lims tubs. I think they are great. I bought my Japanese tub which is not very economic but wanted one for taking photos and for the comfort of fish to not crater in the ground. My experience is with photos is when taking pics with an extra hand is easier than by yourself. When your by yourself the comfort issue is there knowing fishy cannot make it out of the tub JMHO Joe

That's pretty much the same way I feel about the two bowls. I also have the William Lim bowl which works fine. The financial side is also very helpful in that it's a fraction of the cost. I just think that if you are buying fish that are worth more than the cost of your pond, that the Japanese bowl won't set you back that much. I don't own the largest of the Lim bowls, so I can only go by experience of the 27" bowl.
Rob

[schildkoi]

Actually, the profesional photographers of Koi (Rinko, Nichirin, etc) will always use a darkened area if at all possible, always use a flash and always use a circular polarizer. This method does away (almost always) with reflections, ripples in the water and gives even light distribution.

Steve

[keokoi]

Quote: Originally Posted by schildkoi Actually, the profesional photographers of Koi (Rinko, Nichirin, etc) will always use a darkened area if at all possible, always use a flash and always use a circular polarizer. This method does away (almost always) with reflections, ripples in the water and gives even light distribution. Steve

Your right Steve those Pro Photographers of Koi will use darkened area or canopy. That is to keep the color of the tub consistent. When natural light is enough then a flash is not needed. Best time to take pics of koi are dawn and dusk. But at a koi show we can't always have the perfect time. So a make shift canopy usually cardboard (lol) is used to shade the area. This does not mean a flash unit is needed. Which goes back to why I like the lighter colored tub. Usually in any photography natural light is always the best source of light and it always gives the true colors of what the naked eye sees.Flash photography can sometimes bring out too much flaws or distorts the colors some. Then when it comes time to publish like Nichrin the photoshop comes into play. In return when a flash is needed I won't hesitate to pull it out when the timing is right..

I am not a pro photographer just a little guy trying to make ends meet

Joe