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Old 10-06-2005   #1 (permalink)
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Fry

Fry pics, some are ok and some are not , there is a tub of siver and brown koi and I dont know what they are, most are ginrin. I need to know what to cull. I am going to pull the mud pond againg tommorrow


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well if I post their is some more
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I wish I was there to see what ya got, and maybe hold your hand while you ax the unworthy..lol
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Look it took me a long time to come to terms with culling so dont give me a hard time about that.

What do you think about my koi.
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in that second and third picture, are those ginrin utsuri? Very cool looking...should be fun watching them develop.
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They're not fry, they are juveniles. They look good, but you cannot cull from a photo.

What to cull depends on how much space you have available. You need to decide how many you will carry into the winter and spring and cull down to that number. To do this, you may need to get them all out of the pond and into holding tanks or cages so you have some sense of the total number and how many you have to get rid of.

If you have more than one pond to put them back into for the winter, put the best fish at very low density in one pond and the lesser fish at higher density in the other pond. At this size, very low density would be one fish per 30 to 50 square feet. Without aeration, high density would be about one fish per 3 to 5 square feet. With aeration, you could put one fish per square foot. Despite the winter, you will see a big difference in growth at the high and low densities. Are your ponds 20' x 50' = 1000 square feet? That would be 20 to 30 select fish per pond, or 200 to 300 junk fish per pond without aeration, or 1000 junk fish per pond with aeration.

I get ridiculed if I mention selling junk koi. However, the worst of these would be good enough to go to Pet Smart in the spring - assuming there are no deformities. Some look like they could have potential and should be pampered and kept in hopes that they make it to a more lucrative market. The junk fish have to be moved out, one way or the other, in early spring to make room for next year's fry.

No one can tell you what to select for. I would get rid of the solid color, non-gin rin, fish first (higoi, kigoi and shiro muji). I would pamper and keep those that look like they may make a decent gosanke or shiro utsuri - at least until they prove that they will not make the grade. Everything else is somewhere in between.

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I have got to learn to take better pics, sure its hard to tell from pics but I think I could get a general idea. I do believe these koi I can sell to fish dealers around here local but for the real hobbiest I dont think I have one that anyone would be interested in. This batch of fish are just helping me to learn about feeding and pulling the ponds so next spring I will know what to expect. I will sell all of them this spring and dont plan to keep any to grow out yet as I dont have the room yet. I still have two empty ponds with no water. If I can get two good spawns to grow next spring I will be happy. Next spring when I spawn the good koi, then I will really need to have my culling experience at hand. I have to hand it to the Japanese, maybe after several years I will get better.


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KFG,
Do you have the camera set for close-ups? Mine does much better pics when I am a foot away and it is on "close-up" which for me means a flower is on the LCD.
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Yeap, I tried the close ups today with the flash and I still did not get good pics
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