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Old 11-02-2005   #11 (permalink)
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Would you consider this a natural looking pond?

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Apart from the statuary, yes. (I like the statuary btw). Hardscape and Landscape create the "look" of nature (naturalistic), even though it is not really so. Since a truly natural pond is impossible (unless you have one that is spring fed by a real waterfall) all we can do is mimic the appearance, incorporate natural filtration where possible, and use as many pumps, airstones, bioballs, and japmats as we have to to overcome our man-made shortcomings.
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Regenmeneer...I consider it beautiful...but definitely not natural. If anyone can show me a pond in nature that looks even remotely like this, I will give them a medal!!!
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I'm sure it's not natural, 8 years ago when I moved here, it was a lawn. But I wanted a natural look, not a rectangular pond sticking out of the ground.

But it has plenty of filtration, but thats hidden beneath a wooden terrace.

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Would you consider this a natural looking pond?

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Wow, nice pond!
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Thanx for the compliment Chris

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You need to get out more

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Regenmeneer...I consider it beautiful...but definitely not natural. If anyone can show me a pond in nature that looks even remotely like this, I will give them a medal!!!
I grew up in central California and lived several years in the Rockies and I can honestly say that I've seen similar settings in the Sierra's and the Rockie's, only on a much larger scale. If I had pictures I'd post them for you, but digital camera's didn't even exist the last time I was around them. (minus the zen statuary of course)
Remember, Koi Carp grow native in large lakes and rivers and we are keeping them in miniature scale.
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Beautiful pond Regenmeneer! I know it's not natural, but it has a real natural feel and look to it. I believe thats all we can do in most cases with limited space. A blend of natural and formal treatments is always pleasing to the eye, in my opinion. As long as the inside below water level is Koi friendly, anything that you like can be above ground.
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Please---Let's not get bogged down by semantics.

The pictures posted by Papa Bear, Regenmeneer and Mike T are beautiful ponds in their own right. To my eyes and in my prejudiced opinion, they compliment the landscape.

Brutuscz and Koiczar are happy with the look of their ponds and that's the way it should be.
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Papa Bear and Regenmeneer:

Very nice ponds, what a great start... In the 40+ years that I've been tending to our Japanese Gardens, which encompass our entire lot, I've found that you have to fine tune the garden until you get it right. Maybe add some trees and shrubs while removing others...You have to remember that the gardens of Japan are hundreds of years old... After all these years, I still find that I tweak the gardens as my taste changes and new plant materials become available...

As your gardens mature, natural plants will fill the gaps between the stone work making it more natural as the years pass... Depending on the weather and environment in your areas, hopefully lichen and mosses will start growing on and between the rockwork and temper the "new" look...

Papa Bear: If Japanese Maples will grow in your area, a red one would really make your pond "Pop" and break the flatness around it, IMHO a great combination would be a red maple set off by 3 dog woods... Maybe a few mounds beneath them.

Rengenmeneer: as to the Toros (lanterns) and pagoda, they look very natural to me because they are part and parcel of a Japanese Garden... I've been a student of Japanese Gardens for 40+ years, traveled to Japan for 8 and lived there for two... Except for the newness of the garden, yours is like many of the gardens I visited during my stays in Japan. While most of the gardens look similar, if you study them closely you'll see that many of them have their own personality which was passed down by the gardener who created them... In your case you like color, in mine I try to stay with basic greens framing the koi which add the "color"... There is nothing wrong with either of our designs, it's just a personal preference...

As your gardens "Age" they will bring you years of enjoyment and pleasure...

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I really get bogged down with the word natural as it relates to modern fishkeeping. I also have a 150 gal. reef tank. I try to look at pictures, and mimic a natural reef...but I also know that nature does not have 50 corals and 15 fish in 150gal. I fully realize that this is a completely artificial environment that is only thriving because of high tech equipment. I feel the same way about our ponds....we can mimic what we see in nature for visual appeal, but must realize that we are creating a very un-natural environment for a koi. This is why I have always felt the "aquascapes" design type of pond is a sham that creates unrealistic expectations. It is certainly not appropriate for a true "koi keeper".
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