Judging things rightly and peace in the forum

[Russell Peters]

I feel the same way. I haven't been following things for a while and I come back and there is nothing but bickering. Please start some interesting threads!

[Charlie_23456]

Joe...you are so right. I've been an a... well you get the idea. I could say it's really about my dislike for a board and some of it's members that banned me for no apparent reason...but that's no excuse for my actions on this post.

KoiDoc...my Sincerest apology to you and any accusations stated or perceived.

Brian, I apologize for these posts on your board. If you feel the need to delete this post please feel free to do so...I know JG initiated this post but it was probably for me to air out my concerns.

Thanks
Charlie

[joe bauer]

Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie_23456 Joe...you are so right. I've been an a... well you get the idea. I could say it's really about my dislike for a board and some of it's members that banned me for no apparent reason...but that's no excuse for my actions on this post. KoiDoc...my Sincerest apology to you and any accusations stated or perceived. Brian, I apologize for these posts on your board. If you feel the need to delete this post please feel free to do so...I know JG initiated this post but it was probably for me to air out my concerns. Thanks Charlie

i will go back to talking to you, and we won't speak of this.

[PapaBear]

[quote=koidoc] ...Give me a break... QUOTE]
Amen, Amen, Amen. Some of the absolute nonsense floating about this thread is amazing. Too many who know nothing at all assume that some sort of "fix" must be in because after all, "the same people always seem to win" right? Could it be that winners are winners because they have earned it? Could it possibly be that winners win because they have studied the art of koikeeping, honed their selection skills, maintain proper ponds for their varieties, and have an excellent feeding regemine? No, No, that can't be it. It must be the judges.
I'm not a Koi judge and I don't play one on T.V., but I've officiated a wide variety of events over the years. Impartiality is in high demand. Those who are not impartial don't get asked back. Simple as that. Good judges in any venue are prized for their integrity even more than their judgement.

[koidoc]

Thanks Brian,

I wrote a message to you but never heard if my subscription went through. Did my credit card go through or how do pay without paypal.

Joe and Charlie-Oh I get it now. I know why Joe was kicked off Koiphen with Charlie. You are both the same person. That is how you stir up trouble with Good Cop, Bad Cop. I see you are doing it on a few threads. Does Brian condone this as well? At Least I have the integrity to talk for myself. No hiding.

[junglegeorge12]

Koidoc, I don't think you need to defend yourself. I have read your articles and even emailed you for advice several times almost ten years ago. Before any chat forums existed. You responded so helpfully and with some of the best info I had ever received about koi, I still visit your site and deeply respect you and your contribution to the hobby. Not everyone new knows that about you man. They have no idea how many koi lives and hundreds of hobbyists lives you have enriched with free advice, and help, that back then only marginally informed extremely expensive and rare veterinarians sometimes offered. The first vet I called said he did not know what a koi was, but was sure he could help, and the first visit would only be around $175.00 So let us tell them about you. We will not let you get slammed without responding. I think if you go back to the previous page and read my post about you, it reflected the truth about you and Brian.

However, making comments about what Brian allows is not fair to Brian either. You should do that in PM. I now from history lots of folks leave the hobby if they cannot participate in the forums as crazy novices. Brian loves them and the hobby enough and cares more about the educational process to allow that to happen. Now a much higher % of folks are getting educated and STAYING in the hobby. The community is really growing. Just look at the posts and the events going on. Even you have more work and fun as a result of Brian's influence. I think hammering him here is about as fair as hammering you or criticizing steven on his site or yours. If someone did that on your site they would probably be edited and banned. So you are enjoying the freedom a little bit yourself there partner.

Your site is more medically focused and like most doctors, you make sure all the info is going to be safe and good. That is good for you and your site. It means I can go there and whatever is given in response to a question about medical issues will be as reliable as you are able to be at this time. Which has proven pretty darn good over the years for me. It won't work for this site though.

I was so glad to hear you say you subscribed again, as you know the mag is loaded with reliable and great info from some of the masters in the field.

Let's not let charlie's protective and concerned response really aimed to defend Brian cuz he cares about and appreciates him, turn into another chat brawl. We just made peace. Let's try to keep it at least for a while? You can feel free to pm me to ask me to help out if you feel maligned in some way. I know who you are and you do not deserve that kind of disrespect, but new folks do not know you and do not understand your heart and contribution to the whole hobby. Your integrity is impeccable. So is Brian's. Both you and he have a quality of sticking to your guns that is GOOD, much more than most folks ever think about having. It is a good quality.

Now, after many posts, it is clear why charlie felt upset. You maligned his friend, so he returned the favor. He protected his own. Pretty normal, you can't really be too mad about that. I have been on the other forums and have enjoyed some way more personal stuff than that. Never from you I might add. So I know how it feels when someone unjustly defames you and tries to characterize you as an individual you are not. I don't have a site to defend myself (yet). I hardly speak english any more except on here. So I do know how frustrating that feeling is. I do not think Brian is the culprit here at all.

Por favor, necessitamos paz, y pequito de tiempo para refleccion, y creindo en una senda que es bueno para todos. ?ok? la realidad es un corazon sufriendo es una persona preparando para attaques a un otro corazon. ?Y quein es el benficio de este? ?Quien? Queremos paz, prosperidad, y oppurtunidad para todos. ?Ok? ?Quien tiene la preferencia de una guerra? ?Porque? En una guerra todos sufrio. Soy un professional en la affliccion de sufriendo en mis enemigos, fisical, mental, y via propaganda. en este mundo de chat y koi, un guerra no tiene sensible. ?Porque? Por favor, todos responder a otros con respecto y consideracion y este problema es fines.

Pero, tocando niervos de otros, es un mensaje de guerra. Y guerra, es miserable. Y no es intelligente en este situacion. La persona quein levantar la guerra y caminos de control, es la persona sin futuro bueno en este mundo de chat. ?Entendiste? Propaganda y cambiando corazones y mentes es muy facil. Buscar en como Steven y val responder a palabras y intenciones bueno por mi? Muy bueno, si? La realidad es ellos estan victimas de un guerra para posiciones de respecto. La majoridad de personas aqui no entender que es pasando completamente. Solos personas buscando para annos.

No nescessitamos una guerra. Paz y trabajando juntos es mucho mejor para todos. Por favor, es possible para todos ser amigos y levantar un mundo de koi incredible y con prosperidad muy grande, en un atmosfera que todos mucho gusto. Mas gozare, es mejor para todos. ?Pero animosidad y furiosos? Los nuevos correr. Creindo el otro dia, este revelacion toca mi corazon. Un fiesta con gozo es que nescessitamos mas de todo. Y Nashville es perfecto para este. Tambien, Orlando, y All Bay. Ai Dios mio, nescessitamos mucho denero para todo ahora. Quien tiene un coneccion para boletas?

Can't we all just be nice and get along now? We will all do much better that way and have a lot more fun. The doc has impeccable integrity and has helped thousands of hobbyists over the year with advice most probably could not have afforded from a vet, and even if they could it would have most likely been the wrong advice. So he has done an HUGE service to the whole hobby and community and we all owe him a huge debt. He was the first chat forum around that I ran across in 199? Not sure, almost ten years ago. I understand how you feel charlie, but doc is the wrong guy to diss. He probably should be subscribed and be less critical of Brian, but he is still a great asset to the hobby and always will be.

[koidoc]

I do not even have a web-site. I do not blame Brian. I know his intentions are good, but this board has gotten out of control. You have direct slander. You have one person posting under multiple names to play games with people and stir them up.You have another sending e-mails to me trying to disquise his letter under another name. Great computer savy for sure. I have been trying to subscribe to Koi Bito again. Maybe Brian needs a moderator. It seems alot of people know what is going on but nothing changes, That is the frustrating part. Brian and I are OK, I think. I have never said anything about his magazine. I think it is very good. And I know he wants what is right for the Board. I am sorry if I offended Brian. It is the Board that is the problem.

[MikeM]

Jungle: "Koidoc" is not Doc Johnson...He's Art Lembke. A little confusion, I think.

Art: No need to think anything posted here affects your reputation. Anyone who bothers to read the thread would place everything in the proper perspective.

Brian has a difficult issue in all of this. The censoring of posts and heavy use of moderators has caused as many problems as it has solved on many boards. There are some angry folks who are going to snipe at anything related to Koiphen, and there are muckrakers who just enjoy the squabbling wherever it happens. Amazing thing is that people who say they are koikeepers have so much negative energy. ... I think they need to pay closer attention to their koi.

[junglegeorge12]

My mistake, I assumed he was THE doc. Point is, we need to be peaceful, it is bettter for all involved. Even if you aint Doc, you should not be maligned, Sorry for the mistake.

At least someone has been around for a while. You are right Mike, the moderating is more dangerous inmho. I think the sniping needs to stop from all sides and everyone needs to plan a serious party to change the atmosphere.

IP adresses? A little archaic. Why don't we just pull out dinosaur bones and club each other?

I think if we all let things settle down some everyone will chill out. Truth is we need each other. Who wont need Luke's prop pumps when power is $400.00 kw/hr?

[aquitori]

I think the only judge I know that is a complete independent from ZNA and AKCA judging practice is Grant Fujita. Pretty interesting cat to watch judge, every show I have seen him judge he has pretty much called it the way it is. But, I can tell you this...If a show has a bunch of crap for fish he will pick out the best one for sure.

We got to remember that judges can only judge to a certain point, which means with the guide lines of the governing body they represent. In the end each judge has to come up with their own convictions to why something should be placed. Everyones eye is different and seeing first hand it's true.