buying a prize

[joe bauer]

do you have an opinion on having a dealer take a koi to a show for you without your ever having had it in your pond?

[Charlie_23456]

Quote: Originally Posted by joe bauer do you have an opinion on having a dealer take a koi to a show for you without your ever having had it in your pond?

It's all about the fish on that day. It doesn't matter who owns the fish or gets the $6 trophy.

Now answer my question.

[James P]

O yea? Mention FIR and lets see what happens? LOLs JR

[James P]

I'm curious, how many of you have actually been to a few Japanese shows?

[joe bauer]

it is nice that you guys from koiphen can come over here and post your high and mighty opinions about another poster on this board, but please don't hijack my thread to do it.

you have all of kioiphen to talk about other people, or you could start a new thread on this board, but on this thread i am looking for opinions on the buying and showing of fish that have never been in the owner's pond.

[joe bauer]

i am not charles/chucky or whatever.

why did you remove your previous post?

why do you come over on this forum and attack me?

[Charlie_23456]

Sorry to inform you St ephen...Only place I am banned is at KP and even if Im not banned there, I would never be a member again! And by the way...I am not Joe Bauer.

As I was saying Joe...It's the fish that is being judged, not the owner, but the owner gets the prestige of owning the winner...that is if the judges are fair and unbias...not that Im saying judges are not, but there is always the possiblity isn't there.

Now this is just my opinion of course!

[joe bauer]

the only koi forum i am banned from is koiphen too. kv just does not suit my style. it looks like this forum is fairly straightforward, except that two members of koiphen have come over here and tried to stir something up.

maybe they could tell me why i was banned over there? maybe not.

i am getting an education on how to win a prize at a koi show, but i do not think i could just buy a fish and enter it and feel good about it.

at first i doubted all your questions about judging, but politics seems to enter everything, even which koi forums you can post on, so maybe you have a point.

why don't you start a thread on judging the judges?

i am leaving now, before these guys who have another forum to post on get me into trouble here. back tomorrow.

[James P]

Hey Joe, let me answer the question then. In Japan, when you see those pictures of the 85 year old owner standing proudly with his koi or the very well dressed business man standing at attention and receiving his award, do you think he bagged the 36 inch fish and drove it over to the sight in his lexus? The answer is no, he did not! A dealer in Japan is a pure professional. He gathers the fish, delivers the fish, cares for the fish, debugs the fish and returns the fish to the owner. It is all part of the service. To a degree, they are 'partners' in seeing that the fish does well at the show.

In America, only the high end keeper could afford that service, if he or she was lucky enough to have a dealer that would provide that service!
In some shows, it is considered poor sportsmanship for an owner not to be at a show when the fish wins. In truth, it is more about policing dealer abuses than a concern about the amateur owner.
I know of hobbyists who enter shows but will not go to the banquet to accept their award. This may be rude but still it is accepted.

At the end of the day, no one should care about how 'fresh' a koi is off the airplane. The koi is in a beauty contest. No one cares how the fish got there.


Lots of variations and answers here- pick one.

[jnorth]

Doesnt bother me if someone buys a koi and pays someone to grow it out and then have it delivered to the show. No big deal.