# of GC contenders

[joe bauer]

how many koi in the USA could be shown and be legitamate contenders for a GC? and how many owners does that represent?

i know that this might sound like a stupid question to many, but i am new to koi keeping and i am under the impression this is a very rare fish and there are not many around.

[KoiCop]

why don't you check with Charlie_23456 and see what his thoughts on the matter are -- since you two are so "close" that should be easy enough to do!

[dick benbow]

There are so many in the USA you'd be amazed. believe it or not alot of koi kichi's do not show yet have killer koi. I know of the same situation in the UK.
Ask any japanese dealer where the majority of the koi go including their best.
When i started koi close to three decades ago they all stayed at home....now 3/4 of the product goes outside of Japan, including so incredible national fish.

[joe bauer]

Quote: Originally Posted by KoiCop why don't you check with Charlie_23456 and see what his thoughts on the matter are -- since you two are so "close" that should be easy enough to do!

yeah, but i get tired of talking to myself. plus, he aint no smarter than i am!

[jnorth]

Every show has a GC. With that said if you take that koi to another show on the exact same day in the exact same condition (which is impossible but just a hypothetical). It might not even place among the contenders in that show. It's all relative to what shows up at the show.

[joe bauer]

Quote: Originally Posted by jnorth Every show has a GC. With that said if you take that koi to another show on the exact same day in the exact same condition (which is impossible but just a hypothetical). It might not even place among the contenders in that show. It's all relative to what shows up at the show.

that is why i asked how many "legitamate contenders". just a guess as to how many there are in ponds across the states. i don't know of any, but i know they are out there......

[jnorth]

Well I'll let someone with more experience answer that. It's a subjective question though and I think it really depends on what shows up the day of the show. If you mean how many koi are in the USA that could compete in ALL-Japan and win GC there I would bet you might get a ballpark answer. Just keep in mind that Japan does not allow the importation of koi so it would never happen.

[MikeM]

Out of the millions of koi in ponds across the U.S., I'd guess you'd be referring to no more than a hundred; and if you mean in a condition for serious consideration at the All-Japan, I'd say: None. But, I'll defer to JR and others with far greater knowledge of what is hiding in U.S. ponds. [Now, start talking about the U.K., and I'd bet things improve.]

[MikeM]

...but not by much.

[Charlie_23456]

Quote: Originally Posted by joe bauer yeah, but i get tired of talking to myself. plus, he aint no smarter than i am!

LOL! I like my other self!

Contenders according to whose standard...Japanese...British...North America?