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Old 01-03-2006   #101 (permalink)
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No, the pattern of the beni is not as important as the nature of the beni. Beni needs to be:

of the right type ( tone of coloring).
of a layered thickness.
thick but 'delicate' at the same time.
lusterous and bright.
even in distribution- all one color through out pattern.
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Old 01-03-2006   #102 (permalink)
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I'm not currently studying any koi JR, just enjoying them!

Like you, over the years I have had many kinds of varying quality and from different breeders around the world. The ones I have in the pond in my front yard right now are AA quality, not show. The first one I fell in love with about ten years ago was a German koi, with the line of scales along the back and a beautiful white. Then I went to shiros, sankes, and kohakus. Over time my eye and taste gravitated towards kohakus and sankes with just a little accent.

I hope this isn't going to be a competition. I just enjoy these guys, if you are interested I will tell you why I chose each one. It was raining today so the lighting and resolution are poor, and they would not behave for the camera, so the angles aren't that great. I did not want to stress them out by putting them in a tub, so this is the best I could get today.
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They're beautiful, George!!!

I, personally, cannot afford a show quality koi... But, if a koi is healthy and the coloration is eye-catching... Well, that's what I'd do for.... I'm not going to enter in any shows.....

My fellows are small... I had an 18" bekko which I managed to kill by using the wrong filtration media.... Broke my heart too.. She was carrying eggs and I was hoping to find a mate for her... But, he came too late.....

I currently have 7 koi.... 3 are about 4 inches... and I have a yamabuki Ogon which is about 12 inches... My longfin kin showa is about 13"......


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Is this because the Japanese guard there procedures so closely that we wont ever know how to do it right or is it that you think no american/other breeder will take the time to do it right?
Can you blame them?!!!.... If the "secret" was out, wouldn't you buy from anywhere to save the shipping charges if everyone could grow a champ?!!!

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Maybe tomorrow I will try to hook up some lights to get some better resolution pics. The beni on these is nice and even, expect the two step kohaku, he got his head stuck in a pipe and damaged the beni behind the pecs so it looks uneven now. The sanke has one spot of secondary hi that came up this month, looks like it'll go away pretty quick. The other kohaku has a deep red beni the pics don't do justice to. The two step also has really nice fukurin you cannot see too well in the pics. Hopefully it will heal, it already looks much better. It even grew the scales back. They are all between 16-18", the bigggest one slightly over 18, the smaller sanke slightly under 16. They were born in the beginning of March 05 from the best I can calculate.

KFG, I hope I did not offend you, I am just trying to light a fire under yer butt.

How many gallons per day do you run of well water into the ponds? I agree with you on the stocking rates for growing out large koi, not sure you need to worry quite that much at 12" though, maybe when they hit 18-22. That might help to give you some more culling room to play with. I would proabbaly keep 50-100 in an 86,000 gallon until they hit about 18, then I would sell the ones I liked less and make room as they got bigger. Kind of a 'slow cull'.

Tell me how many gpd you need of clean water, and I will try to find you a solution for under $300/yr. Also need to know what size pipe you run to each pond. How's that? Well water is still hard. If you soften it it will change what grows in the mud, which means diet change and better growth and color. The 'type of mud', from what I have gathered from most japanese sources I trust, is not that important. Have you seeded in any spirulina or started a shrimp hatchery yet? Shrimp hatcheries are real easy.

Doing those two things will give you better colors and also growth and cut your food bills down, which well help give you more for other things, like more ponds or to feed more fry to bigger until you get 'the eye' for culling. I am lucky enough to have such a big land plot available, I can growout all but the deformed fry to four to six inches or even bigger so I can see how the different ones look when small and when a little bigger.

If you need to sell your chuppa for money to keep going forward, pm me.
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JR the Kuchi-beni was just a joke as you showed us two fish with it. I know it doesn't mean a thing one way or another if the quality of the beni is good.
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I really like the pecs on your kohaku JR. Nice beni too, pretty good for no photoshop! The sumi on your sanke has a good depth, I like the way it is mirrored and supported by identical sumi in the deeper layers.
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Bscott I know you knew! Just for the lurkers. JR
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I see them George. I also have a soft spot for certain fish. Here is another that I snapped and posted on KP the other day.
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Here's an old shot of the only male fish I own at present. This is a show male I had entered in the All Japan and it was featured on the cover of Rinko. I will get a picture of it this week as an 'elderly gentleman' for your review. This old man must be 27-28 inches now? JR
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Thank you very much for sharing JR.

Those are some great koi, I especially like both Kohaku. Beni looks fantastic!Would you please tell us some about the background of these koi?

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