Center block pond, what liner?

[PondArmor]

Quote: Originally Posted by koiczar Anton Comes out to about $2 - $2.50 a sq. ft. Mike

Thanks for the reference to us Mike, however, I have to correct your per square foot cost you quoted. The cost actually works out to $1.24 per square foot. Then of course if you amortize that cost over the life time of the material, the cost lowers even more.

[Birdman]

A couple of weeks ago I looked at a friends pond that was coated with San Tred. It looked really good. I think this is what I am going to use.

http://www.sanitred.com/

[kingkong]

A liquid rubber base polyurethane polymer;
.Bonds well to dry or wet concrete
.Remains flexible
.Some polymers forcefully expand to repair cracks

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[PondArmor]

Quote: Originally Posted by koiczar Anton Comes out to about $2 - $2.50 a sq. ft. You can do it yourself pretty easy. Check out their website - they even have a few videos you can watch about application and product. Good Luck Mike

First my apologies for paying advertisers. I was unaware of the advertising rules here on the forum and the post that the moderators removed was one where I had included my web address. With that said, I only wanted to thank Mike for the kind words but correct him on the square footage cost. Pond Shield is $1.24 per square foot, not $2+ per square foot.
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[kingkong]

Buy their nature epoxies are brittle. Some epoxies are more than others and flexibilizers can be added to improve their flexibility. They don't seem to bond as well to concrete as polyurethanes. Surface must be prepared properly for best results.


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[luke frisbee]

Anton,
you confused yet...let me add something else to the mix...
i used Xypex in the stucco of my 50,000 gallon concrete block pond.
A good koi pond is a costly venture...please read all my meanderings on what I did and my trials and tribulations at themudpond.com under pond construction and "lakeluke".
I did not decide on Xypex to be different. I researched it and fel as though it is the best waterproofer for a well constructed concrete block pond.

[kingkong]

Xypex seems similar to Thoroseal. A cement-based coating or slurry mixture for structural waterproofing.

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[PondArmor]

Quote: Originally Posted by kingkong Buy their nature epoxies are brittle. Some epoxies are more than others and flexibilizers can be added to improve their flexibility. They don't seem to bond as well to concrete as polyurethanes. Surface must be prepared properly for best results. Ogon owner KOI UNIT

Except when they have been specifically designed TO bond to porous materials. The tested tensile bond strengths of Pond Shield in the lab before it was released was shown to exceed the internal strength of the concrete. This means after the epoxy had cured and an attempt to remove it was made, the concrete broke apart rather than the epoxy releasing it's grip. As far as being brittle, you are correct. Most are by their very nature brittle. We had also kept this in mind during design as well. Pond Shield is designed not be flexible enough not to mimick hairline cracks. Concrete and mortar crack over time. This is just their nature. We made sure that there was enough flexibility in the epoxy to not do the same.

With that said, I just want anyone reading this post to know that in no way was my intent to start advertising product here - even though it appears that my posts went that way. Instead, I'd like you to know that as far as our scientific research has gone, we went the total route with testing. Leaps and bounds have been made in the chemical industry and what used to be in a lot of cases no longer is. The old thoughts of the way certain plastics used to behave still exist, but the new hybrids like what we have developed have in a sense become next generation materials. I applaud anyone who does due diligence when researching the direction they plan to go in any construction medium. If you do your homework, your project is bound to turn out just as good as you planned, if not better.

KingKong, please do not take my almost immediate post and quote form your comments as anything malicious. I think, just have you have in your post that sharing information will only make us all more intelligent.

Quote: Originally Posted by kingkong Stages of civilization evolution in terms of advanced building materials; Stone age Bronze age Iron Steel Concrete Polymer age

By the way it almost sounds like a new edition for Microsoft's Age of Empires

[luke frisbee]

Quote: Originally Posted by kingkong Xypex seems similar to Thoroseal. A cement-based coating or slurry mixture for structural waterproofing. Cold Tar Epoxy Club Koi Unit

KK they are nothing at all alike. NOTHING AT ALL. You know very little about xypex. Now would be a good time to learn. It is an excellent material for waterproofing cement containers used for potable water.
I used it over a "Pondom" coating, because I really believe that a concrete pond maintains a proper water chemistry.
I suspect that when others use Xypex, they will agree with me, and it will become a main source for Waterproofing cement ponds.

[kingkong]

Perhaps you might want to enlighten us Luke as to the ingredients of Xypex so we may KNOW what and how this product's unique qualities may help our endeavors in the future.