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Old 02-10-2006   #11 (permalink)
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D-A-C-B Are A and B siblings?
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Old 02-10-2006   #12 (permalink)
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D, A, C, B

D- Has the body. I think the picture quality hurts the look of the shiroji, but the quality is there. Pattern is fairly well balanced-better than the rest

A- has the next best body albeit a little thinner. The shiroji is nice. The overall quality is more finished than D

C- has a ways to go as far as the body is concerned but still miles ahead of B
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Old 02-10-2006   #13 (permalink)
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DCAB for me !!

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Dinh

You need to quantify your picks - e.g., why do you like D better than the rest, why did you pick C 2nd, etc. We can't help you learn if you don't give us insight on why YOU select fish a certain way, okay!?
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ok - Koizar,

D - best body
C - best color and nice three-step kohaku pattern
A - Both boby and color are better than B....
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Okay, I automatically eleminate A&B because they have the worst conformation. In skin quality and pattern they are even with D.

Sanke C is more for future and in this judging excerise it cant compare to the other Sankes whos sumi is up. By far it has the best shiroji but sumi is still a "dream" away from being in a show.

Sanke D is the clear winner. It has the conformation above the rest and the finish of pattern to move it over C. It doesn't have the skin quality as C does but has 2 out 3 in the judging critria to makes it the winner.
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thanks. I think I understand the now and future piece. conformation seems to be easier to grasp that the other aspects though

does this mean that d will not be good in the future? both are pretty nice.
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Hmmmmmmmm

I will agree that the contest is between C and D. These are both younger Koi judging by shape and in particular the pecs. They are most likely in the 18" range? Here is my standard disclaimer, "You cannot adequately judge Koi from pictures, only pictures of Koi from pictures. I am going to make the assumption that since all of these are being judge together, they are of a comparable size. Thus I have resized "D" accordingly in the picture below. As such, its conformation is not sizeably different than "C". In addition, in younger Koi (less than 18 to 20", conformation is NOT the determining factor as it can be with the big girls.

So, let's look at pattern first. "C" has a traditional 3 step pattern with an offset step of beni on its right filling the gap and adding "interest". It also has an almost perfect odome or "tail stop". D's pattern, although interesting cannot stand up to C's in my mind. Skin quality is next to impossible to judge from a photo as is depth of color to one degree or another. The sashi and Kiwa on "C" is superior to that of "D" and the softness of beni on "C" also outdoes that of "D" (although color can be VERY misleading in photos).

Niether Koi's sumi is fully developed and although "D" has more sumi, as a percentage of developement of the total, "D's" is less developed than "C's".

Overall, I would select "C" as number 1 and "D" number 2, today (based on the pictures....I could do a 180 live perhaps, who knows?)

But, you know what they say about judges? "With one good eye, they could be a cyclops"!

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Edit: I forgot to mention the one disturbing attribute of "C". the leading ray of the right pec is not complete (short).
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Steve . . .

thanks for taking the time to put things into proper perspective. A very informative post.
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I see what you mean. C does look pretty nice.
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