Toshio Sakai's "Clean Water System" (US Patent No. 6,318,292)

[mitten]

helicopter spin ==== before Bruce Lee.

Go ahead KK, I wanna see you do this. Got a speedo with suspenders? I'm giggling like a stoopid right now.

[saratogatan]

[quote=kingkong]Stan...When is that Zen calmness going to kick in, wow. I would love to go on a Tokyo buying trip with you. If we don't like the quality they are trying to push we will put the owners in helicopter spins and fling them into the ponds.


Thre isn't much Zen in my blood, nor in the koi I am raising. If there is any, it vaporized the moment I read the rebutal from the US patent office.

as for Tokyo buying trip, is there any koi breeder in tokyo ? If I really don't like the quality of stuff I am being push, I will generally beg a pardon, saying, "I am sorry, I truely don't qualify for this quality, but I know the quality of my green back better".

back to the patent, let's thank the holder for the disclosure, and copy it freely if it works.

stan

[bekko]

Poor Sakai. How embarrassing for him.

-steveho

[xiaohuang7]

Hey, I don't think it's embarassing -- like Dick said, it's probably aimed at larger facilities. Just think of how many mucky non-filtered public ponds in Japan there are.

But like you, I feel some sort of let down because the expectation was something miraculous that koikichis could use... and I will try your yellow cosmic rays as soon as I locate some.

[bekko]

There are no redeeming qualities. There are much more efficient ways to aerate water and move water laterally. The sand bed concept (unually called jaubert or plenum) has been around for decades but is not very appropriate for eutrophicating feed rates. When you want to really screw up, you can do as he suggests and occasionally inject water under the sand to blow all the anaerobic muck up into the water column. He did not even get the food chain correct and missed a couple of trophic levels. Water boatment do not feed on bacteria, unless it is by accident.

Oh wait! There is one redeeming quality. The sand bed keeps you from slipping and busting your buns when walking in the pond.

It's an embarrassment, particularly coming from someone who is supposed to be an innovator.

-steveh

[kingkong]

Oh wait! There is one redeeming quality. The sand bed keeps you from slipping and busting your buns when walking in the pond.



-steveh[/quote]

LOL, busting your buns, that would be and is embarassing!

Once again your dead on..water boatmen eat algae and creatures but are confused with back swimmers at times that suck the juices out of boatmen. This other monster sucks the juices out of bathers, water boatmen and back swimmers.

OGON OGON

[Regenmeneer]

You either have real small hands, or thats a monster!

What is that????

[kingkong]

That is not my hand! Belastomatidae or Giant Water Bug, which ever you prefer. Feed on snails, small fish, tadpoles and toes. They are in Florida.


OGON OGON OGON OGON

[Regenmeneer]

How big does it get? Does it eat tosai?

Regenmeneer

ps could you make ogon a bit more yamabuki

[luke frisbee]

the question isn't do they eat tosai...but How MANY tosai do they eat....
I have been "hit' by these bugs a couple of times... I am the live and let live guy...but now I kill these guys on sight....They and their kin pick on me.