How to choose tosai Ogon from Izumiya

[Lau Teck Seng]

Hi all ,

First time posting here , been staying on the sideline running thro postings . Most informative . Great job guys . Would like some pointers on choosing Ogon from Izumiya . A dealer here in Malaysia have some pretty decent looking tosai at size 15 to 20cm . Don't know what to look for in this variety , hoping to grow on to jumbo , if possible .

Thanks .

Rgd
Lau

[koiczar]

Does he have any nisai oghon? IMHO your better off starting with a 2 year old. There's a little more development to be seen and this variety won't cost you as much as gosanke so the price should still be reasonable. Plus, you will have a better chance of growing it to "jumbo" if you can see how big it has grown in 2 years instead of 1.

Mike

[aquitori]

Ogata's ogons were from Izumiya...Dont know now, but saw 2 ogons in the same bowl from Izumiya and Ogata and couldn't tell the difference...

[Bern]

Choose from his palest, most insipid nissai. This was advice that I eventually follwed after some hesitation and it worked for me and a clubmate.

I was given this advice from a local dealer (Conoisseur Koi) who I had no reason to mistrust but it sounded too much like a sales ploy to me.

However, on my first visit to Izumiya I saw that any fully coloured Tosai and Nissai were available for sale, the pale ones weren't. I observed this state of affairs on subsequent trips and checked the story out with several other people.

Some 3 to 4 years later I bit the bullet and bought one. The wife took one look and thought that I'd gone mad. But within 18months it had more than doubled in volume and was as perfect a Yamabuki as you'd want, fukarin and all.

rgds BERN

[Lau Teck Seng]

I don't have nissai to choose from . Only tosai and they all look so bright which was the main reason which caught my eye . Try to look for an insipid one . For Ogon can you tell a male / female via colour variation ? Any other clue and pointers . Thanks Bern , Aquitori , Koiczar .

Rgd
TS

[Regenmeneer]

Spot on Bernie.

I have a Izumiya Yamabuki Ogon. I bought it as Nisai, and it was so light colored it looked like a low quality platinum. Later on this turns into the most beautifull yellow. Choose a bright yellow Tosai Yamabuki, and chances are they will turn orange or have orange spots!

When choosing Ogon, body is especially important since this is what you focus on since there is no pattern. Ogon have a tendency to have small pectoral fins, so when choosing a Tosai, look for pecs that seem way to big for the koi. Choose one with a good body, especially Ozutsu. Choose a light, evenly colored Yamabuki. And make sure all scales are in line and none of them are greyish in the centre.

Here's a link to a picture of my Yamabuki

http://www.nishikigoi-online.com/php...hp?pic_id=8076

Regenmeneer

[dick benbow]

The most beautiful one of his Ogons I ever saw, was nissai and brought in by Peter W for Ian S.. While he was panning it Garry HB walked over and was so mesmerized by the koi that Ian graciously offered to let him have it. It was the lightest you could ever imagine.... your advice is spot on. This was a very excellent koi and contrary to popular opinion you pay just as much for a top one of these as any gosanke of similar quality. Ogata did train under his care and yes his ogons (same bloodline) can be excellent as well.

Ogons often times will have undersized pecs, so when picking tosai put all the dullest ones available in a blue inspection tub and eliminate one with smaller pecs. Long heads and rangey bodies at this stage often indicate a koi destined to grow big. The only other fault I've seen is a misshaped head.....squashed in
or dolphin head shaped. Hope this helps

[MikeM]

The first koi I owned was an Ogon named "Silver"...for a reason. After a year, he was a soft cream yellow. After two years, he was a beautiful yamabuki. People would look puzzled when I pointed out the yellow koi named "Silver".

[Steve W]

Hi all

The best koi i have ever seen was yamabuki Ogon at the 2003 UK National.

Almost a meter long and perfect.


Steve W

[MikeM]

Unfortunately, JR cannot post here due to technical difficulties. He picked up this thread on NI and drew a very interesting post from P. Waddington. Raises one's perception of Yamabuki.

About 14 months ago I had a disaster in my old pond from a hose left running by an irrigation repair crew. I lost my yamabuki. For the first time since 1978, I've not got one. I put in a special request to Mat McCann for a female. This Fall I am hoping to have a nisai among his harvest. Perhaps in another 9 months or so, there will be one in my pond again. I think every koi pond should have one. They draw much attention and in the process make all the gosanke seem just a bit more special.