Tancho Sanke?

[Sangreaal]

Found a koi that caught my eye on an auction site and the breeder calls it a "tancho sanke." After what I've read on this board and on the net, I just don't know. Oh experts out there, can you comment on and name this fish?

(image courtesy of fishmaker)

Thanks,

Marie

[aquitori]

The fish will get more dirty later. Plus the Sumi quality is poor, it is too freckley. What it is, is a poor quality tancho sanke.

[dinh]

Marie, the Cat is very nice. Good colors and pattern as well

[dick benbow]

the koi does exhibit the look of sanke in it's pecs and tail. A tancho sanke should not have the black in the red mark, you could accept that in a proper showa tho it is not necessary from a show standpoint in that color variety.

I think the koi is aptedly labeled as to what it is....if the pattern appeals to you and the fish is not to be considered for showing and you can get it at a good price, maybe you could enjoy it. Most of those (not all) around KB are really into the quality for shows and unfortunately this koi misses the mark by quite a bit.

often times as students are learning they will get excited about a koi and look past what makes them an ideal example of the color variety. for example just because a Gin Rin koi has a beautiful pattern does not mean it will do well in GR
because unless the GR is up to the mark, the pattern will not carry it. A tancho classification is equality as tough, it better have a good tancho because that is the focus. Tancho kohaku were always my daughter's favorite
we looked for a long time to find " Beni bottan" her japanese name for it. it translates the red button! a friend of mine had a goshiki tancho that he called poker chip cause the black was so dark all you saw was the tancho swim by!

a good one is really to be enjoyed!

[Sangreaal]

Quote: Originally Posted by aquitori The fish will get more dirty later. Plus the Sumi quality is poor, it is too freckley. What it is, is a poor quality tancho sanke.

I had wondered about the freckly sumi and what it would do, and the fact that there was sumi over the hi on the head (which I thought was a showa feature, but what do I know *L*...). Thanks for the input, tonio. I'm learning....

Marie

[Sangreaal]

Quote: Originally Posted by dinh Marie, the Cat is very nice. Good colors and pattern as well

Why thank you, Dinh *LOL* credit goes to Busch and Silver, "Why Paint Cats." Amazing what a little non-toxic vegetable dye will do...

M

[Russell Peters]

We are tought that a Sanke should not have any Sumi on the head. A lot of people interpret that as, Sanke do not have Sumion the head. This can get confusing, because the poorer quality Sanke, like the one you found, can have Suni on the head. If you look at the Pecs the Sumi striations are random, go to the ends of the fins, but do not start at the body. This Koi is not going to get any better and is most likely a male.

[Sangreaal]

Quote: Originally Posted by dick benbow the koi does exhibit the look of sanke in it's pecs and tail. A tancho sanke should not have the black in the red mark, you could accept that in a proper showa tho it is not necessary from a show standpoint in that color variety. I think the koi is aptedly labeled as to what it is....if the pattern appeals to you and the fish is not to be considered for showing and you can get it at a good price, maybe you could enjoy it. Most of those (not all) around KB are really into the quality for shows and unfortunately this koi misses the mark by quite a bit. often times as students are learning they will get excited about a koi and look past what makes them an ideal example of the color variety. for example just because a Gin Rin koi has a beautiful pattern does not mean it will do well in GR because unless the GR is up to the mark, the pattern will not carry it. A tancho classification is equality as tough, it better have a good tancho because that is the focus. Tancho kohaku were always my daughter's favorite we looked for a long time to find " Beni bottan" her japanese name for it. it translates the red button! a friend of mine had a goshiki tancho that he called poker chip cause the black was so dark all you saw was the tancho swim by! a good one is really to be enjoyed!

I'd been following this breeder's auctions for a while, looking at his kohaku (much nicer than this fish), when this one stuck out like a sore thumb. I wasn't sure what you'd call it after my first maruten/tancho conversation here.

Here's the one that "got away" that I really would have liked to have, but went out of my budget:



Didn't think she/he was too bad for a 12 incher....

[Sangreaal]

Quote: Originally Posted by Russell Peters We are tought that a Sanke should not have any Sumi on the head. A lot of people interpret that as, Sanke do not have Sumion the head. This can get confusing, because the poorer quality Sanke, like the one you found, can have Suni on the head. If you look at the Pecs the Sumi striations are random, go to the ends of the fins, but do not start at the body. This Koi is not going to get any better and is most likely a male.

*nodnodnodnod* And THAT'S why I posted the pic, so I can hear what is wrong with it. Thanks for all the checkpoints! I knew there was something not quite right, but didn't know what it was. Thanks! I've learned something today.

Marie

[aquitori]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sangreaal I had wondered about the freckly sumi and what it would do, and the fact that there was sumi over the hi on the head (which I thought was a showa feature, but what do I know *L*...). Thanks for the input, tonio. I'm learning.... Marie

Any type of tancho is prone to losing it's tancho, the thing with choosing tancho is the kiwa around the tancho it should be sharp and I really do mean sharp...in the pic the tancho's kiwa is very blurry which tells me it has a high chance of losing it. I would pass on this fish.