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Old 05-24-2006   #1 (permalink)
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Shiro Utsuri

Hi all.
I´m just wondering,I have just purchased a Momotaro Shiro Utsuri.(Nisai 55 cm)
I know that Omosakos Shiro are the best.
And I am thinking of getting my hands on one to this season:-)
But how is Momotaros Shiros?
Could it cope with Omosako?(Think not)
Any information is welcome.
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Stefan
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Old 05-24-2006   #2 (permalink)
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in any manufacturing process, a name brand gets instant recognition. But if your a ford truck fan and you get a lemon, you might not be such a big fan anymore.

I believe Omosako breeds beautiful Shiros. But there are other people who do as well but have not received the recognition yet.

Look at how Maeda - san has used other famous breeder's bloodlines to create his own. I would think he could do the same with shiros!

The nicest shiro i ever saw was a first place for it's size in the all japan show and was purchased by my koi kichi friend from Sakai of isawa. he doesn't have a reputation for shiro's but what a magnicent koi!

Shiro's like showas take time to develop. Don't be in a hurry...BTW the nicest i ever owned was bred by sakai of hiroshima and was my only koi that ever took three prizes in one show!
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I'd have to back Dicks statement as well. Omosako has great name for shiro. But there are others as well.

To take a different spin on it. Omosako breeds nice showa as well too

I think if the fish is nice and you can see its future. Nice fish are nice fish no matter the brand name. I don't think I ever let a nice fish pass me by just because of a name.

When I think of smal Breeder for shiros I think of Marusho. He breeders many good variety and Shiro is one. But then again he make a mean Sake'

Currently I own a Shiro which was acquited at Ogata. I am not sure if Ogata bred it but it didnt stop me from buying her.

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Stefan: What a nice website you have. I wish I knew your language. I am always impressed by the determination of koikeepers in cold climates. Your son seems to enjoy the digging!

The best Shiro Utsuri are purposefully bred to obtain snow white skin and dense, lacquer black. To get these qualities without having any red pigment is very challenging for the breeder. Oftentimes, Shiro Utsuri have body conformation problems seen in bodies which are disproportionately thin in the back half compared to the front half. Even Omosako's koi have this tendency. It is the few with the highest quality pigments and strong bodies from head to tail that built the Omosako reputation. But there are many other breeders producing Shiro Utsuri and many will produce equally fine specimens from time to time...perhaps not as numerous and perhaps never quite as good as the very best of the best produced by Omosako, but just as good as the many Shiro Utsuri sold by Omosako every year in moderately high volume.

There are also the Showa breeders who, to their regret, experience fading Hi. Just as Sanke breeders produce Shiro Bekko unintentionally, Showa breeders produce Shiro Utsuri. These tend to have smudges of red pigment or secondary Hi or undesirable specks of orange rendering the fish virtually worthless, but there is the occasional rare one that has the near-perfect, strong body of Kohaku-influenced Showa, lacquer Sumi and no trace of red. From photos I have seen, such fish can be very impressive.

However, I have the sense that the whites are not as pure as the whites of the purpose-bred Shiro Utsuri, although often a cleaner white than the Showa siblings. (The "hard" white does not support red pigment well, so a greater tendency toward loss of Hi in those with the purest white it seems??) The whites of the gosanke are a more soft, creamy white that better supports the red pigment of the gosanke, while a snow white contrasts more dramatically with the lacquer black of the best Shiro Utsuri. It is interesting to compare the whites of the koi in a pond of mixed varieties. The white of a good Shiro Utsuri will stand out from the rest, making the whites of Sanke and Kohaku look a tad yellowish. But, I'm rambling....

I would not consider a Sakai-bred Shiro Utsuri less worthy than an Omosako-bred. Both breeders produce a range of quality fish. It is really a matter of appreciating the points of beauty of the individual koi.
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Stefan, very nice web site, enjoyed looking at it.
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Thanx for all the kind words regarding my website .
Maybe I should do one in english to .
And thanx for all the info on shiro utsuri.
Don´t have any pic of her yet, but will post as soon as possible.
She and the other ones I have bought is at the dealer.And will be collected in the beginning of the next month.
Maybe my pond is finished then.(cross my fingers)

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