Rocks and koi.

[dizzyfish]

My AKA Matsuba got a scrape off one of my overhanging rocks. It shined bright white for awhile before healing in black.
Mitch

[keokoi]

Looks like the wound scraped off the DNA color and filled in with black.. Also I think you AKA Matsuba is a Kin Matsuba

Joe

[lildude]

Quote: Originally Posted by dizzyfish My AKA Matsuba got a scrape off one of my overhanging rocks. It shined bright white for awhile before healing in black. Mitch

If you sterilise it with Hydrogen peroxide, Dont out it Mouth , gills, or eyes. And seal the wound, It should heal up nicely.
I am not sure what you could use to seal up a wound like that, but It may not require sealing if it isnt too big.

[bekko]

That's pretty interesting because when a kohaku or sanke scrapes its head the wound is pure white even if the wound was on a hi plate. Aren't aka or ki matsuba black-based koi?

I've only had one bashed head, didn't treat it and it healed fine. There was a thread on bumped heads somewhere a few months ago. Wish I could find it because one of the treatments (PP paste I think) seemed prone to leave a scar.

-ste vehopk in

[koiczar]

Bekko

I believe you are correct about PP and scarring. Several years ago, I was told to use a PP paste on ulcers to heal the wound. What a mistake that was!! Both fish still have scar tissue. If the wound is on the underside, I would say, okay but if the wound is on the side or top use mercurochrome.

Something interesting we discovered while in Japan this year. A very prominent breeder used Lamacil ointment for treating a wound. Put it on a Q-Tip and rubbed it in under the scale(s) and the excess was rubbed around the affected area as a topical sealer. I found this interesting but seemed to make perfect sense - it is afterall an antifungal cream and it's (Ibelieve) lanoline based so it stays on for a while even in water!! HHMMMM!!

[JasPR]

Right. PP paste was first used over in the UK to disinfect. You will notice that in the beginning when everyone is learning to keep koi alive and healthy, that aggressive health practices take center stage. Curing the fish and 'fixing' the fish is the total focus. But advanced keepers tend to move this focus to techniques that cure but ones that consider the aftermath of the treatment.
We talked about the old practice of 'plucking scales' in the area of infection in order to assure treatment of aeromonas infected tissue Vs. saving scales during treatment.
The same is true for any caustic material one uses to sterilize and cauterize skin tissue. The name of the game is to ‘burn’ necrotic tissue and remove these dead cells, but to only ‘freshen up’ health raw tissue so it can begin healing.
In the end, you can only LIMIT the amount of scaring that will occur. This is why early prevention is so very important. And it is also the reason why over treatment and use of the wrong/strong chemicals will result in greater scarring.
Fish with white dermis will tend to produce white scars and fish with black dermis ( and metallic fish) will tend to scar in black.
The normal black ‘tarnish’ of age is not black ‘coming UP’ but rather the wearing away of the upper color in the epidermis and upper dermis that exposes the darker base tissue in wear spots.

JR

[dizzyfish]

Is an orange Matsuba considered AKA or Kin? The koi in the first picture is the one that had the *untreated* scrape heal in black. The top koi in the second picture heals small scapes more orange. The two koi are from different breeders, but I believe they were bred as AKA Matsuba and not Hi Asagi. I believe both of these fish were sold to me as AKA Matsuba, and the one in the first picture was more red when I got it. Do AKA Matsuba frequently fade to become Kin Matsuba? Or just how do you determine which is which? KOI USA has a picture of an orange Kin Matsuba on its
"Koi Collector's Pocket Guide", while Kodama frequently lists orange Matsuba as AKA. I thought Kin was more yellow? I'm confused.
Mitch

[keokoi]

Diz, you fish has hikari on it which is that mettalic sheen on it. AKA MAtsuba does show that and is more of a dull color. When you think of Yellow I think you are getting confused with Ki and oftern you will see it used with Kin to make things more confusing..

Here is a pick of my AKA Matsuba Nisai from Otsuka..

Joe

[dizzyfish]

Joe,
So what would you call this fish?

[keokoi]

Quote: Originally Posted by dizzyfish Joe, So what would you call this fish?

Diz, maybe I made it a bit confusing and I will be the first to say I am no poet when it comes to workds.. LOL

here is a Good link http://www.cnykoi.com/koiid/main.asp . Look under Hikarimono...

Joe