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[keokoi]

Quote: Originally Posted by JasPR Thanks Joe! Actually that was not a bad kujaku but unfortunately the rest looked more like these! LOls ( I forgot about this fish, but if you can see the head of that shiro utsuri- in the lower left of the tank-THAT was the best fish produced in three years- a real monster with great sumi and not bad shiro. No real pattern unfortunately. It was from a group of five shiro sent by Konishi in 1988, but I have a feeling it was from his neighbor- omosako.) Thanks for the memories! JR

Wow lots of bekko in there.. JR the shiro is has big head at what age? Do you miss playng breeder? LOL

Joe

[PapaBear]

Take Mikes advice and re-read. MOST of what has been said here has been discussion you can learn something from. Learning to sift through the personality clashes is also a valuable part of everyones education, including yours. If you look closely (without bias because you are already upset), you will get a lot out of it that will give you a better understanding of both sides of the discussion about KOI, how they are valued, why they are valued, and by whom.
Many Americans, both hobbiests and breeders, have a taste for longfins and get very defensive because they are frowned upon by Nishikigoi purists. That doesn't change the fact that Koi is a JAPANESE art form that we seek to emulate in our own way, just as Baseball is an American sport that Japan is in love with. You may notice that Japan does not presume to tell us how the game should be played or that we should change the rules in order to accomodate them. The first Japanese player to play for an American team was a Japanese national HERO because it meant that ONE of them had finally arrived at the pinnacle. Maybe, just maybe, one of these days an American breeder will finally make the Japanese big leagues of Koi... but it won't be with a fish he wrote his own rulebook for. Who knows... it could be you

[Nancy M.]

Quote: Originally Posted by PapaBear Take Mikes advice and re-read. MOST of what has been said here has been discussion you can learn something from. Learning to sift through the personality clashes is also a valuable part of everyones education, including yours. If you look closely (without bias because you are already upset), you will get a lot out of it that will give you a better understanding of both sides of the discussion about KOI, how they are valued, why they are valued, and by whom. Many Americans, both hobbiests and breeders, have a taste for longfins and get very defensive because they are frowned upon by Nishikigoi purists. That doesn't change the fact that Koi is a JAPANESE art form that we seek to emulate in our own way, just as Baseball is an American sport that Japan is in love with. You may notice that Japan does not presume to tell us how the game should be played or that we should change the rules in order to accomodate them. The first Japanese player to play for an American team was a Japanese national HERO because it meant that ONE of them had finally arrived at the pinnacle. Maybe, just maybe, one of these days an American breeder will finally make the Japanese big leagues of Koi... but it won't be with a fish he wrote his own rulebook for. Who knows... it could be you

Larry
Excellent post, honest and fair, just the facts..

[lildude]

Quote: Originally Posted by PapaBear Take Mikes advice and re-read. MOST of what has been said here has been discussion you can learn something from. Learning to sift through the personality clashes is also a valuable part of everyones education, including yours. If you look closely (without bias because you are already upset), you will get a lot out of it that will give you a better understanding of both sides of the discussion about KOI, how they are valued, why they are valued, and by whom. Many Americans, both hobbiests and breeders, have a taste for longfins and get very defensive because they are frowned upon by Nishikigoi purists. That doesn't change the fact that Koi is a JAPANESE art form that we seek to emulate in our own way, just as Baseball is an American sport that Japan is in love with. You may notice that Japan does not presume to tell us how the game should be played or that we should change the rules in order to accomodate them. The first Japanese player to play for an American team was a Japanese national HERO because it meant that ONE of them had finally arrived at the pinnacle. Maybe, just maybe, one of these days an American breeder will finally make the Japanese big leagues of Koi... but it won't be with a fish he wrote his own rulebook for. Who knows... it could be you

Im sorry but I really have no desire to read them. I have heard enough of this. I thank you for your post though

[JasPR]

Excellent post Larry. JR

[JasPR]

morning Joe!

Sometimes when I look at a tank full of really good( if I do say so myself) red wagtail swordtails, sailfin or half moon black mollies, golden layretail mollies or my fancy guppies, bettas and black percula clowns that I bred, I get the urge to try koi again. But due to space and time requirements, I just lay down until the 'feeling' goes away! LOls

What I do like to do is visit the guys who are at the top of their game and observe , year after year, the results of their oyagoi and culling programs.
This is the same reason I judge koi shows- to see, and learn, what is happening without actually having to DO the work of breeding or owning all those koi! Mike M can tell you, if you want to really produce a great strain or two of high class guppies you need at least a few 55 gallon grow out tanks, a dozen or so 10 gallon tanks and as many 5 gallon tanks. You need live food going all the time and maybe an outdoor pond of a few hundred gallons to grow out fry in summer.
The better nishikigoi breeders can have 10-20- 40 ponds! Certainly the 'big pond' needs to be very big to accommodate those hot prospects. Honestly, the only farm that I'm aware of that can produce really good koi here is Matt McCann/ Joe Z's farm. And it has taken them at least 5 years to get that all sorted out! NO, I'm happy to observe at this point---

( here's the large lake drained in 1992 harvest that Jose and I did. It took four full days, running two giant gas driven trash pumps to empty that sucker!)

JR

[keokoi]

Thanks JR your passion surpasses mine. I once had my hand in breeding cichlids.. LOL not much to do there. F0's into F1 chuppa.. LOL

I think if I had room and a facility I would like to exercise that side of the hobby. It certainly is a crucial role..

I have viewed many of Matt's pulls over the years by picures and your right! they are getting better every year. I can see why many of you make the trip to to witness the birth of US bred koi gaining leaps and bounds.

Joe

[dizzyfish]

JR,
Did you breed black true perks or were they Amphriprion ocellaris? Even good true perks don't produce many good black babies. These ocellaris my wife and I raised do. I believe we may have been the second ones in the country to do so, behind ORA.
Mitch

[keokoi]

Quote: Originally Posted by dizzyfish JR, Did you breed black true perks or were they Amphriprion ocellaris? Even good true perks don't produce many good black babies. These ocellaris my wife and I raised do. I believe we may have been the second ones in the country to do so, behind ORA. Mitch

Now you see you guys shouldnt post pics of SW fish. It makes me sad that I got rid of my 200g reef to get into this hobby..

Nice set of babies. It proves that there is a way its just gonna take the right person to find out how..

Joe

[dizzyfish]

Here is some fry from a pair of Amphiprion percula. (true perks) The pair had a lot of black. It just takes patience. The true perks also have a lot more mis-bars than the ocellaris IMHO.
Mitch