Federal Order Re: Viral Hemoraggic Septicemia

[jnorth]

Quote: Originally Posted by koicluboftheair Especially for Don,...http://www.koicluboftheair.org/refractory.swf

You know thats pretty funny . I listened to one of your shows today and was surprised to find it sounded like a broadcast on NPR. With the tone of most of your posts I was expecting it to sound more like Howard Stern......

[schildkoi]

Quote: Of course I can do this with more ease than pubs like PondKeeper and Koi USA. What are their retraction policies?

Why are you asking people here (koicop) what Pondkeeper and KOI USA's retraction policies are? I can't speak for Pondkeeper, but KOI USA if in error will make a correction as it has always done. I would think that you would review your lateset article for KOI USA and double check for accuracy and notify the editor if it is good to go or not. Yes of this time, you haven't done so. I am out of town without access to it at present so I will await your email.

Steve

[MikeM]

It just keeps getting weirder.

[koicluboftheair]

Quote: Originally Posted by jnorth You know thats pretty funny . I listened to one of your shows today and was surprised to find it sounded like a broadcast on NPR. With the tone of most of your posts I was expecting it to sound more like Howard Stern......

Hope we don't disappoint.
thanks, or I'm sorry, which ever is in order

[koicluboftheair]

Quote: Originally Posted by schildkoi Why are you asking people here (koicop) what Pondkeeper and KOI USA's retraction policies are? I can't speak for Pondkeeper, but KOI USA if in error will make a correction as it has always done. I would think that you would review your lateset article for KOI USA and double check for accuracy and notify the editor if it is good to go or not. Yes of this time, you haven't done so. I am out of town without access to it at present so I will await your email. Steve

I've not written anything to KOI USA regarding VHS. That was SVC Steve

Furthermore, there are four genotypes of Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia, which are caused by a rhabdovirus. Are all four genotypes; I, II, & III, which are predominant in Europe & Japan and IV found in North America, Japan, and Korea equally as refractory in carp? While this disease was originally considered to only effect salmonids in fact those showing susceptibility to genome type IV include not only fish of the Order Salmoniformes, but include representative species in Esociformes, Clupeiformes, Gadiformes, Pleuronectiformes, Osmeriformes, Perciformes, Scorpaeniformes, Anguilliformes, Cyprinodontiformes, and Gasterosteiformes. If carp are refractory why then do other members of Family Cyprinidae in Order Cyprinodontiformes show susceptibility?

[cppond]

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeM It just keeps getting weirder.

Oh, good. I thought it was just me because I am new here.

[koicluboftheair]

VHS was identified first in the U.S. in 1988 and later determined to be genome IV. That was the last year of this study quoted. There is a very real possibility that the refractory genome was of genome I, II, or III not genome IV, which would provide the rational for why other members of the carp Order Cyprinodontiformes are found to be infected in the United States. It seems carp that come in contact with this genome IV caused rhabdovirus may in fact not appear refractory.

Quote: Originally Posted by KoiCop was completely without merit. And since 'Hot Air' Hawley apparently doesn't do retractions, here's the skinny -- which Lynne (Eluned) was kind enought to post on KoiShack yesterday: According to the US Fish and Wildlife Service: Host Susceptibility In Europe, epizootics of VHS occur primarily in rainbow trout, Oncorhynchus mykiss; brown trout, Salmo trutta; and to a lesser extent in northern pike, Esox lucius (Jorgensen 1980; Meier and Jorgensen 1980). Natural infections have also occurred in grayling, Thymallus thymallus, and whitefish Coregonus sp. (Wizigmann et al. 1980; Ahne and Thomsen 1985; Meier et al. 1986). Outbreaks of VHS have been suspected in pollan, Coregonus lavaretus, and lake trout, Salvelinus namaycush. In the United States, natural infections have been diagnosed in chinook salmon, O. tshawytscha; coho salmon, O. kisutch; and steelhead (searun rainbow trout). Fish shown by experimental challenge to be susceptible to VHS virus infection are Atlantic salmon, Salmo salar; brook trout, Salvelinus fontinalis; golden trout, O. aguabonita; rainbow trout x coho salmon hybrids; giebel, Carassius auratus gibelio; sea bass, Dicentrarchus labrax; and turbot, Scophthalmus maximus (de Kinkelin and Castric 1982; Castric and de Kinkelin 1984; Wolf 1988). Fish shown by experimental challenges to be refractory to VHS virus infection are common carp, Cyprinus carpio; chub, Leuciscus cephalus; Eurasian perch, Perca fluviatilis; roach, L. rutilus; and tench, Tinca tinca. I should really give the credit to Roddy, even though he initially misunderstood the term refractory to mean that carp were susceptible.

[KoiCop]

uh . . . aren't you just a teenie bit confused, John?

Fact checking is normally done after an article is written and before it's published, but now you're fact-fuzzing after the retraction has been printed? I'm so left scratching my head.

Maybe you should add a disclaimer to your bits like 'KoiUSA' does. You know, the old "Material is selected for interest to koi keepers, and the publishers accept no responsibility for the accuracy of content" type of thing.

I've taken the modest liberty of penning one for you: "Folks say the damndest things when I stick a mike in their face. This is a shoe-string operation and I can't afford a fact checker, so believe any of this at your own peril." Feel free to polish this up, John, but I'm sure you get the drift?

By the way, what second-rate institution did you get your third-rate 'j' education from? Don

[koicluboftheair]

Seems you are right. At this point there is no need for a retraction as the science is still out on whether Cyprinus carpio is refractory to all genomes of VHS. You must really like me to needle so much. Bring something to the table regarding VHS Don. I'll be waiting for your science to prove carp are safe and none will ever be infected by genome IV. It is all about the hobby Don

Plus, I've updated the retraction regarding refraction http://www.koicluboftheair.org/refractory.swf

[Russell Peters]

Just make it stop hurting.