Who has the most GC trophies?

[Russell Peters]

Quote: Originally Posted by jnorth Thats a loaded question. I don't think he means not counted. What I think he means is if a koi wins GC out of a field of say 300 koi vs a field of say 60 koi then the GC out of 300 koi should count for more. Using a point system you could go with 1 point for less then a hundred koi entered, 2 points for 100-200, 3 points for 200-300 etc.

Yeah, what Jim says........ Mitch, I don't see where you got out of my post that I said a show shouldn't count. The problem is a GC from some shows don't even compare with some of the larger shows, so how can you compare them, you can't. So, to me, the only way you could really do it is based on something, as Jim said, like a point system.

[dizzyfish]

The way I see it, it's sort of like the PGA tour. They keep track of career wins as a measure of the greatness of a golfer. They also have certain grand slam events which merit more prestige. A win at a smaller venue, which may have been skipped by Tiger Woods still counts as a win. It would just be nice to compile the records and see how they stack up. It might be a way to recognize someone special.
Mitch

[Russell Peters]

Quote: Originally Posted by lildude I dont think number of wins should define a successful hobbyist in any part of koi. I think people should just enjoy it as much as possible.

Yes, but to some, winning is what defines the hobby. I don't judge this, I just accept it.

[Nancy M.]

Quote: Originally Posted by RayJordan My guess would be Joe Co. Not just for the number of shows where he won GC but also his 4-5 year run of GC at S. Cal Zna shows.

Joe Co took Grand Champion and Runner up Grand Champ back to back for 4 years at ZNA Garenda Now that is a huge acomplishment.

[dizzyfish]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nancy M. Joe Co took Grand Champion and Runner up Grand Champ back to back for 4 years at ZNA Garenda Now that is a huge acomplishment.

Was those GC with four different fish? It just seems to me that recording United States koi show history would be interesting also. So how many you and Frank got?
Mitch

[Nancy M.]

Quote: Originally Posted by dizzyfish Was those GC with four different fish? It just seems to me that recording United States koi show history would be interesting also. So how many you and Frank got? Mitch

Yes, Mitch they were all different koi, My buddy Jose was one of the top hobbiest here in California, but the politics drove him into being a private hobbiest. What a shame, anyone that knows Jose, can tell you that man, can pick the best Sanke with his eyes closed. We have been learning from him for a long time, he is a great teacher. And still has a collection too die for.

[Nancy M.]

Quote: Originally Posted by dizzyfish Was those GC with four different fish? It just seems to me that recording United States koi show history would be interesting also. So how many you and Frank got? Mitch

We have 5 Grand Champions with 1 showa, and 4 Grand champions with 1 Kohaku.

[lildude]

Quote: Originally Posted by Russell Peters Yes, but to some, winning is what defines the hobby. I don't judge this, I just accept it.

What I find appetizing is when my koi are happy and growing, as well as developing.

[jnorth]

Quote: Originally Posted by Campcheryl Oh my so many angles. What if the show with only 60 fish entered had all large top quality fish and say the show with 150 fish enry had majority of smaller sized fish? There are many top hobbyist with great koi keeping skills. I pray they continue to share their koi and their knowledge.

Good point. So how about basing it off the number of size 6 and up? The plan falls apart when it comes to basing a point system off quality. Whether or not the quality at one show is better than another is too subjective and nobody would ever agree. So basically you could only do it off shear numbers but then again somebody might show up with a couple tanks fo size 7 shiromujis and skew the numbers. You'd never make everyone happy with a point system but I think we can all agree that we hope people continue to show and share their knowledge of koi with all of us.

[dizzyfish]

Nancy,
Five is great. I never thought I would have an interest in shows, but the more I learn about them, the more I like the idea. I do hope the politics can be put to bed and let the best man/woman win the shows. I hope someone can put together a record of the US shows and who won with which fish if possible. Not that it would really tell us who the greatest hobbyist is, but just to record the history for those who come later.
Mitch