Showa - What Do You Think!

[Brutuscz]

Russ...I gotta say something here. I understand the quality breeds quality statement...but, not always. If it was 100%..then they would simply breed top grand champions and make excellent koi with certainty. We know that this often fails. The best quality koi often breed nothing very good. Also, if quality always bred quality...then why cull? Because even the best quality breeders often make garbage...correct? Even though the breeder has a good idea of what may happen...a showa is part skill and part luck. The sumi is too big of a variable to consider it all skill. I can't help but feel that this particular showa exceeded all expectations by a mile. Similar to the Maruyama showa...sold as tosai They knew it was going to be good..but I don't think they knew it was going to be THAT good!!!

[Nancy M.]

Quote: Originally Posted by Brutuscz Russ...I gotta say something here. I understand the quality breeds quality statement...but, not always. If it was 100%..then they would simply breed top grand champions and make excellent koi with certainty. We know that this often fails. The best quality koi often breed nothing very good. Also, if quality always bred quality...then why cull? Because even the best quality breeders often make garbage...correct? Even though the breeder has a good idea of what may happen...a showa is part skill and part luck. The sumi is too big of a variable to consider it all skill. I can't help but feel that this particular showa exceeded all expectations by a mile. Similar to the Maruyama showa...sold as tosai They knew it was going to be good..but I don't think they knew it was going to be THAT good!!!

You are correct, ALL BREEDERS GET CHUPPA FROM THERE SPAWNIGS, and showa is one of the hardest to determine how it will look in 2 or 3 years. We as hobbiest try to invision just as the breeders how it will look as it matures. But GENETICS play a big part in that also. You need good BLOOD LINES to start with, to acheive the long term goal.

[aquitori]

Quote: Originally Posted by mitten No reason to post except to run up my new sig flag. Love you boys from California.

Love the sig Mickey...

[Russell Peters]

Quote: Originally Posted by Brutuscz Russ...I gotta say something here. I understand the quality breeds quality statement...but, not always. If it was 100%..then they would simply breed top grand champions and make excellent koi with certainty. We know that this often fails. The best quality koi often breed nothing very good. Also, if quality always bred quality...then why cull? Because even the best quality breeders often make garbage...correct? Even though the breeder has a good idea of what may happen...a showa is part skill and part luck. The sumi is too big of a variable to consider it all skill. I can't help but feel that this particular showa exceeded all expectations by a mile. Similar to the Maruyama showa...sold as tosai They knew it was going to be good..but I don't think they knew it was going to be THAT good!!!

You are entitled to your opinion and I will just have to leave it that I totally disagree with you.

[lildude]

You are both right.

[aquitori]

Quote: Originally Posted by lildude You are both right.

No body is right, even the breeders themselves...hahahahaha...

[Russell Peters]

Quote: Originally Posted by Russell Peters We all know that Showa are a three color Koi. This to me is what makes them really hard to pick. We all, myself included, tend to look for noticable traits when picking Showa. We all want Menware and Hachiware, Ichimatsu or tiger stripes. These are the things that seem do define the ultimate showa for most of us. This week in Isawa Toshio Sakai took some time to talk to us about the Dianichi Showa GC and some past grand champions. He talked about how no one thought they were any good when they were small. They had bad Kohaku patterns and almost no Sumi. What they did have was quality. It has been pointed out on this board, on another thread, that the Dianichi Showa had an unbalanced Kohaku pattern. The response to that was that the sumi gave balance to the pattern. It does. When I came across the picture of the Yamamoto showa that I posted at the beginning of this thread, I thought, what a great way to explain what Toshio was saying by example. The Yamamoto showa as a young Koi does not really show much promise. I am really sorry about the picture quality, but thanks to marie we got a little better look. I am posting two more pictures of the showa, both of which are a year apart. Look at the end result and ask yourself, "would I have thought that it would turn out like it did?" To me, this gives a totally different perspective on what to look for in showa. After all there are three colors and they all develop independantly. Learning to recognize quality over pattern could yield you one hell of a Showa.

I am reviving this thread to announce that PSKoi is having a Yamamoto event at our store on Saturday April 14th. For more information please go to our website. PSKoi.com.

[mynamy1]

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[Super Kindai]

Hello, Russell. It was nice to talk with you last weekend.

[Eugeneg]

The sumi is too big of a variable to consider it all skill. I can't help but feel that this particular showa exceeded all expectations by a mile. Similar to the Maruyama showa...sold as tosai They knew it was going to be good..but I don't think they knew it was going to be THAT good!

They know their own fish a lot better than we give them credit in my opinion . I picked some 3 year olds from photos the kohaku was good but the showa was a dissapointpment but in the shipmment of 35 tosai there were 2 showas that turned out better than the 3 year old . It was no accident as I was instructed to study their growth . You simply can not outsmart people that have made this their life for several generations .
Regards
Eugene