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Old 01-31-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Two days before I was to leave for Tokyo, January 16th, I realized that I had forgotten to file for my permit. I guess I was experiencing a precursor to a senior moment. (My wife thinks I am 45 so it can't really be a senior moment). After all I went through in September and October, gathering information, I actually forgot that I needed a permit to import Koi. Without hesitation I downloaded an application and filled it out. I then called Aphis to get the fax number I would need and then faxed off the permit application without a worry. After all, the first permit came in three days from approval.

Off I went to Tokyo and Isawa to have fun and go Koi hunting. While there I thought only of finding Starbucks in Tokyo and Eating at Denny's and Red Lobster in Isawa. Oh, and I guess the occasional thought of looking at Koi came to mind. After five days of fun, it was time to return home.

On Friday the 26th I received my final invoice from Miwa and I suddenly realized again, I don't have my permit. I called Aphis to ask them the status of my permit. After thirty minutes on the phone they finally told me that they did not have any record of my application. It was getting late in the day, 1:20 California time and 4:20 Aphis time, and Aphis closes at 4:30. I was told to fax over the application again and then call back to see if it came through. I faxed it over and then tried calling to get a confirmation and NO ONE answered. I was told by this person that she would be there and she would answer the phone. She did not and this meant that I would have to wait until Monday to get confirmation that they had it.

Monday rolls around and I do not hesitate. I am on the phone at 6:00am, c
Calfornia time, calling to check. This time I speak to someone different and she tells me that my application is there, but there is a problem. I have faxed my application to the wrong department. She then says " Don't worry, I will walk it over". I don't know about you but the first thing I did was worry. I asked her if she could give me the office number for the correct department, and she does. Two seconds later I am calling the " right " department. Guess what? No one answers and I get a recording. I decided to leave a message describing the mistake I made and that a very nice lady was going to walk over my application. I asked if they could please call me when they get it.

Two and a half hours later I have not heard a word so I decided to call. The person I spoke with said that my application was not there. When I mentioned again what was going on she very nicely said that she would walk over and get my application. At this point I am going nuts and can hardly contain my self. I know I can't make a fuss because it was, after all, my mistake. I had no faith that she would end up with my application and figured I would have to fax over another copy. I was very surprised when five minutes later she called me back and said that my permit application was now in the right hands.

It's still not the right time to relax. My next question was how long would it take to procees. She told me they were swamped and that it could be a week before they even get to it. I stayed cool and explained that because of my mistake my Koi shipment would be delayed and was there any way they could help me. She told me that I could speak with her boss. My reply was
" would that be alright? " The next thing I know I am speaking with Dr. Merrill.
I told the story of my mistake to Dr. Merrill and he told me that even though it was not his job to process the permits, he would look into it.

I spent the day at a jobsite working trying to keep my mind off of the fact that my shipment was going to be delayed by a " senior moment ". When I got to my office I was totally shocked to see a copy of my approved permit sitting on my computer keyboard. Dr. Merrill had come through and saved the day.
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Damn Government beauracracies!!!!!!!!! Good case in point of WHO YOU KNOW!?!?!?!??
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bureaucrats are people too.

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Steve

I used to resemble that remark!!LOL

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I used to resemble that remark!!LOL

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Which one??? You used to be a be a bureaucrat or you used to be a people?
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Russ,
I'm glad it worked out for you. Sounds like you need to start hitting that V-8 a little more regularly. Also eat more fish.
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Russ, senior moments can happen to anyone, irregardless of age. It's just the Master's way of letting you know you have too many irons in the fire!

I'm glad you took a moment to share your story with us as we can all learn from it.....patience is a virtue and polite insistance a necessity.

In all walks of life and situations, there are good people like the DR. I find you
story to be the cup that's half FULL......not half empty.

Least now, you have the right #'s to double check receipt of the next fax request.

Might not hurt to stick a thank-you card in the mail. They often get stuck on the wall of an office to remind harried government servants that there are decent folks (albeit human ) out there that appreciate them.
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Old 01-31-2007   #8 (permalink)
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From my experiences of last month Russ they (Aphis) go the extra mile for you...you and I know about "senior moments"...count your blessings this time but understand next time might take three weeks like I was told to expect...since they are really strecthed beyond their limits. Great news...so many details to remember in this business.
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Russ, senior moments can happen to anyone, irregardless of age. It's just the Master's way of letting you know you have too many irons in the fire!

I'm glad you took a moment to share your story with us as we can all learn from it.....patience is a virtue and polite insistance a necessity.

In all walks of life and situations, there are good people like the DR. I find you
story to be the cup that's half FULL......not half empty.

Least now, you have the right #'s to double check receipt of the next fax request.

Might not hurt to stick a thank-you card in the mail. They often get stuck on the wall of an office to remind harried government servants that there are decent folks (albeit human ) out there that appreciate them.
Yes Dick,

I now have in my Aphis file a page with the fax and phone number in bold print. There is nothing else on that page.

A side line to the story though. I stayed very patient with them even though they gave me the wrong numbers in the first place. I could not find the fax number so I called Aphis and told them I needed a fax number to submit an application for permit to import Koi. The number I used was the number given at that point.

I have learned that when dealing with people, if you want something in a hurry, it is better to place the blame on yourself, and ask for help. Nicely.

Dr. Merrill went above and beyond and I did not expect the results I got.
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Old 02-01-2007   #10 (permalink)
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Hey guess what!

I am sitting here answering threads and I get a call from Aphis. It turns out that someone did have my permit application from the 16th of January and it was now ready to send. I told him that I already have another one, but thank you anyway.
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