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Old 02-24-2007   #11 (permalink)
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Yamabuki is a very tricky variety. They almost ALL look great at size 1. But even then, the breeder can begin to tell the 'path' the individuals will take based on the previous experience of watching other spawns develop. Like the confusion we have over here about " what the Japanese like in beni " there exists the same confusion about " what the Japanese like in yamabuki Vs the Americans". The 'shade' of beni or ki that the Japanese 'like' is not about color preference. But rather about what that color shade tells about the fish's development and the likely path the color will take. In the case of yamabuki, this includes luster cell ( metallic effect and fukurin) concentration in certain color shades and skin types. And be warned, there is a trick here, and especially in purachina. Many fish have real fukurin and others have ginrin that leaves the BIG BRIGHT impression but is a cheap substitute for high class skin.

Yamabuki is also a complicated variety. Seems an odd thing to say for a fish that is only ONE color?? But a good yamabuki must be perfect because it is so 'naked'- no pattern to hide anything! The body must be perfect, the fins perfect ( and large) and the scale arrangement- perfect. And the color on head and body must be exactly the same- this is a big 'tie breaker' at culling time. Fukurin is 'extra points' but even and strong hikari is a MUST.
And of course a yamabuki is NOT a yamabuki if it is not metallic in luster. If this is lacking then it is ogon and destine for kawarimono. And this is where the color shade comes in.
The very yellow gold baby is often dull yellow orange as an adult. Or if lustrous, the head area begins to dull or change color.
Many yamabuki come from mixed spawns of purachina. These are high gambles in even color tone.
Therefore the best gamble is a light yellow in a young fish ( under two years of age) and look for a green cast to that 'white corn' color. That is the keeper as the color you are looking at is a juvinile indicator color that will change to a deeper yellow at maturity and likely carry fukurin and even luster.
yamabuki has a 'time line' of aging like any 'cut flower' koi. The bright yellow tosai is likely going to be gold with orange flecks appearing at age five or six. The uneven toned ( especially head) yellow fish will have uneven color as an adult and that will be very distracting.
The tategoi yamabuki is the 'ugly white corn colored duckling' in a spawn of fish. But don't worry! You will never get a chance to buy that fish. The breeder has spotted it and stashed it away for next years sales!

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Old 02-24-2007   #12 (permalink)
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Top of the morning to you JR. So how do you go about culling a Yamabuki/Purichina spawn? I remember Mat saying it was tedious work and not nearly as enjoyable as culling Kohaku or Showa.
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Nice lesson, JR. The corn analogy is so apt.

Koikeepers tend to ignore the metallics. There are so many bright shiny ones. Seen one, seen them all.... but not really. A couple of years before I lost my last one, as fond as I was of her, I had begun to realize that there was a level of quality in the lustre of an occasional Yamabuki that made it stand apart from the crowd... even among others of even color and tone. And among these occasional fish there would be a rare one that was on even a higher level. I have not seen one at the uppermost level attained by Isumiya and a few other breeders. I've not seen those fish in person, just photos. ...Maybe some day at the All Japan?? I expect these are a few levels above the best I've ever seen in person. Unfortunately, not much is written on Yamabuki. I think because once the basics are placed on paper, only seeing the flesh can teach more.

At the moment I'm just happy to have a Yamabuki again, and especially one that will be interesting to watch develop for some time. Hopefully the pigment matures evenly and is a soft, clear yellow. The way she eats, she is either going to continue growing long or she is going to be very round. A real pig.
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Old 02-25-2007   #14 (permalink)
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I have what JR is talking about...

You know, the uneven yellow with darker head A homegrown baby born in our own backyard we kept to learn from. I'm pretty sure by the time it hits 24" it will be teetering on the brink of Orenji, but for the time being it is nice to have that splash of metallic yellow in the pond Along with genetics I think the water hardness is making a difference. Of all the fingerlings we kept the Utsuri's seem to be developing best at the expense of their pale cousins.
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Calling JasPR

Well this is mostly to get a confirmation that our Purachina’s are of the described “fools gold” category.
Please feel free to comment on them if you see other points for us to consider (next time around).

Both are ours now and due to our location where “a Malta” experience to get home from Japan. Sorry for the pictures, we are in the learning process of taking them (all the time it seams).
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You seem to have a gin rin hikarimuji. The crinkled effect over metallic scales really makes them sparkle. The color is neither pure silver nor yellow. Still a young fish.
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Hello Mike

Yes they where resived as CNisai in april last year this spring and are from Yamacho koi farm. We asked for female recived eight Nisai (not sexseed) to choose from.
Judging from price (this is as often stated her prone to location so it has no good bearing in this forum) and what our limited knowledge told us they where all male. Found who ever none of the JR stuff among the eight (have been browsing through piqtures now). Not even when expanding to older/better and females delivered in this shipment.


The two shown her did in any case leave with us and traveled well back to Norway.
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Old 02-26-2007   #18 (permalink)
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Hi Larry..., thanks for the explanation.
Sure I will learn a lot from here. Thanks again!
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Update

I took the Yamabuki to CFKS 2008 to show her progress to Mat. She is very unfinished and has developed a 'tummy problem'. I eyeballed her at 26", but asked HenryC to take an 'official' measurement when she was benched. She came in 'a hair short' of 27". (You'll have to ask Henry how wide he thinks a hair is. ) Her head has also become rounded, but remains large. Her tail tube is not thin, but her low-hanging belly makes it seem disproportionately thin, particularly from the rear and side angles. The photos make her seem like a soft, pale yellow. In person you can see that she is mottled with pale yellow, cream, silver and a deeper yellow on her scales and head.

I am guessing that it will take at least 2 years for her color to come together...probably longer. I am expecting her to reach 32" over the next season, and hoping for a bit more. If she can grow to 27" so rapidly, I think she can do a lot more. I don't think the low-hanging stomach will go away. She may be carrying eggs exaggerating the issue, but it is in her genetic make-up to have a larger than desired abdomen. If she reaches a meter in length, the bulk may not be as negative. So, I'll just silently encourage her...'grow fish, grow!'
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Photos didn't post, so trying again.
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