Ozone Treatment

[IQzero]

I wonder if anyone has any knowledge about dosing your koi pond with ozone?

Is there any benefit of ozone to the koi?

Assuming that you'd want most or all of the ozone to neutralize in the pond and not enter the filtration where it will kill off beneficial baceria upon contact, what would be the the proper concentration dosage?

Thanks *

[JasPR]

what are you hoping to accomplish? JR

[dick benbow]

i had a close friend who wanted to one up the rest of the UV crowd by getting one. I could take up a lot of space here but he ended up destroying
seals in his pump, his box of rubber gloves and lots of other equipment inside his pump house because it was not vented properly. So know you better know what your doing with it...his back yard always smelled like it was gonna rain...LOL

[bekko]

They say that if you can smell the ozone then you have the generator turned up to high and have created a hazard.

You want your pond to develop a diverse and stable ecosystem. Biodiversity is what keeps potential pathogens in check, not random destruction of a segment of the microbial life.

-steve h opkin

[dick benbow]

wow, that was well phrased,Bekko.....did I mention to you I saw an aka bekko (douitsu) on my trip to california the week before? hadn't seen one in 20 years and there was 2 of em. Gee, they're beautiful looking koi......

[Bancherd]

Hi IQzero:
Is this the same IQzero who is a member in a Thai board(koisociety.net)?

Mentioning "ozone" in the same sentence as "koi" is a very good way to get JR's attention.

[DaleRG]

Quote: Originally Posted by dick benbow i had a close friend who wanted to one up the rest of the UV crowd by getting one. I could take up a lot of space here but he ended up destroying seals in his pump, his box of rubber gloves and lots of other equipment inside his pump house because it was not vented properly. So know you better know what your doing with it...his back yard always smelled like it was gonna rain...LOL

i have no expience with ozone use in ponds...whatsoever....

but having been in the insurance restoration business for more years then i care to remember, i am very familiar with the uses of ozone for odor removal, mold, and mildew, also safety issues, etc...

basically ozone hates rubber.....generally....it causes it to dry out as you mentioned, even in restoration applications (from improper useage) it has dried out seals in furnaces, etc....not a very good thing to have happen....

it is also heavier then air.....which means it settles to the basement or lowest point and then fills up the space from bottom to top...

and the odor is actually quite pleasant, like the freshness after a spring rain...but the tiniest overexposure leads to a headache like no other.....

not to mention a real overdose, what it can do to your lungs....

however, if you use it.....use alarms.....also place them low to the ground.....

[JasPR]

you guys know how I fell about Ozone use in the pond. But maybe it is not helpful to only point out the dangerous things about O3? I tried that, as all three of you know, over the years and really got an entrenched response from using that approach.
Maybe the way to educate about the inappropriateness of ozone use in outdoor ponds, is to find out why a hobbyist is in need of a strong artificial oxidizer to begin with? As you all know, if the pond is designed properly, and it stocked properly and the biology and biomass dynamics are balanced that there would be no need whatsoever for ozone therapy. And as pointed out the risk/reward rating for ozone makes it a very poor investment in general.

As I sit in my office surrounded by three large monitors and two small laptops, a blackberry, a monroe bond calculator and a bank of phones, no one can accuse me of being techno-phobic! But in a hobby that is an art and a science, no amount of technology can make up for a poor approach to the fundamental biology/science. The art is applying the technology to support the science/biology, not to try to battle it or muscle it. So we add circulation and aeration and we use plumbing to move the organics. We have designs to separate inorganic and organic and we have media that can support trillions of bacteria in a relatively small footprint. All Art of science. In this thinking there isn't much room for heavy handed sterilization. Add the external impacts of seasons ( temperature and light) and sterilization of water makes no sense at all.

JR

[MikeM]

IQ: I am concerned by your phraseology. First: NEVER use ozone in the pond. Would you add chlorine to the pond? Ozone is just as destructive of all living things. If ozone is used, it must be used in a separate piece of equipment and must be completely eliminated from the water before it returns to the pond. You may not have meant dosing your pond directly, but a new hobbyist might take you literally.

Second: Listen to Dick. Ozone is very dangerous. Unless you study it thoroughly, don't use it. There are lots of things that can be learned by do-it-yourself experimentation. Ozone is not one of them.

Third: Listen to JR. Unless you live in an area where water is rationed or prohibitively expensive, there is no need for ozone. Proper filtration (properly maintained) and regular water changes will do everything you need.

[dinh]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bancherd Hi IQzero: Is this the same IQzero who is a member in a Thai board(koisociety.net)? Mentioning "ozone" in the same sentence as "koi" is a very good way to get JR's attention.

hmmm, I think it's a way to get JR's hairs stand up instead of JR's attention;-))

Seriously, is there any breeder/hobbyist in Japan using Ozone?