Trick to avoid Bakki Shower

[mojo]

i fail all of your imagination on clay, mine is fiberglass, very glaze buy at used office furniture 5 buck a piece, i buy 6. cannot use clay, very hard to drill holes, under constant heat, it tend to crack. cannot use home depot platic trash can, too much up flow pressure it brokes. the top cover make by clear plastic, reenforce by L shape aliminum bar. the path made by Hardy plank sheet. On the top it has a safety valve, in case too much presse, water will split out.

[mojo]

here i add another one. i raise it high so it can pour on the water fall. 1200 gallon as the other one. fish in this pond are small, last spring it all die by KHV. i still keep one walmart bakki on the left. the filter is only 20 gallon.

[JasPR]

I think I can hear a pin drop? JR

[KoiCCAPW]

It's saturday, everyone's out by the pond or at a koi show!

I'm stuck inside, doing some paperwork, but will make it outside before dark.

Mojo, cool set up! I like the look of the water passing over the vase, and that it also degasses is great! Nice DIY.

[Rich L]

JR,

Why are you using such large clay media for fluidized beds. Are you adding air?

And what are the dark bands in the fluidized bed filter towers from. I recal you mentioning them several years ago and they still intrest me.

[mitten]

Well, Mojo, I have decided to honor you with the Bucket Award. My wife says that if I am not lookin at red and white fish I'm playing with big buckets.

There is a place in St. Pete with a ~400gallon display/sale tank using only a patented, flushable, downflow bead filter in a 30 gallon cone bottom tank. No show winners in that tank, but a messa fish.

The way you're doing things makes me very nervous though, because I am trying to graduate from small "miracle" filters to full size conventional filtration, DIY or not.

You had test confirmed KHV? Or anecdotally observed?

[mojo]

Mr Mitten, down flow bead filter? hard to do bead with down flow, all of them float. i do not test HKV, all die anyway in only 2 days. symtoms are easy to detect. all the red kohaku turn yellow. thank for the bucket.

[teddy]

Quote: Originally Posted by mojo All of you think i try to joke, but not, here what i do: i have a simple up flow DIY bead filter, pond water come from the bottom of a 20 gallon fiberglass flower pot, thru a 8" thick Bead, stop by a perfolated plate. Instead of sending the clean water to the pond by a plastic tube, i let it spill out run down along the wall of the flower pot. The clean water then is collected by a large container ( i make by Hardy plank sheet) open 1 end, seat right under the filter, then to the pond. It's the water fall down along the pot wall and conducting to the pond by a long path act as a simple Bakki. I alway think it will have not enough contact time to degas. But surprisingly, it works even better than a Bakki, and no cost, no space. You may have different filter type. but the priciple still can work with your. The filter wall, the long path to the pond do the trick. It's simple.

Hi Mojo, thx for the idea.
I've been thinking about that so I keep my old water fall when I built my new pond.
but my friends said my cascading water fall can't work as effective as Trickel Tower for deggasing process since I don't have filter media in my little chamber (before spill the water from water fall to pond and create sheet water fall.

what do you think.?
I don't operate the water fall 24 hours a day since I have another pump to circulate water (right one)

[mojo]

Quote: Originally Posted by teddy Hi Mojo, thx for the idea. I've been thinking about that so I keep my old water fall when I built my new pond. but my friends said my cascading water fall can't work as effective as Trickel Tower for deggasing process since I don't have filter media in my little chamber (before spill the water from water fall to pond and create sheet water fall. what do you think.? I don't operate the water fall 24 hours a day since I have another pump to circulate water (right one)

it too early to tell your friend is right or wrong. just my idea is: filter media is used to house bacteria, it act like a sponge, water in ther must be thick, and if it thick, it won't degase. for my own experience, in my 3 ponds, the selfbakki filter performed better than my own kakki. as i said, i can turn off UV and feed max to the fish that something i cannot do with Bakki. your water fall if the water fall freely, it will be thick, then hard to work, the idea is you have to make the water thin by gliding on the surface. and operate 24 hour. good luck. thanks

[PapaBear]

Interesting all the way around, and I'm glad mojo started this thread. Good DIY filtration talk always gets my attention
Teddy,
Degassing is all about exposing as much water to aeration as possible as often as possible. Thin sheeting action like mojo's, turbulent flow over broken surfaces, air stones in static media setups, all accomplish the same thing in their own way. The key is to maintain good oxygen levels in the water and the media while it is doing its job. That way the water is degassed and the bacteria are able to breath.