Trick to avoid Bakki Shower

[teddy]

Dear Mojo& Papa Bear,
thanks for your information,
From your info I assume that the main obective is to provide oxygen as much as possible...is it true?
so to make sure my waterfall work as degassing accelerator i should test oxygen level?
Mojo, you said we have to make the water layer as thin as possible.could you tell me range of "thin", what about 5 mm? the water goes up and crawling down to the litthe chamber (1.5 metres distance, is it work for degassing?)and water from that chamber goes to the pond creating sheet water fall.

[mojo]

Quote: Originally Posted by teddy Dear Mojo& Papa Bear, thanks for your information, From your info I assume that the main obective is to provide oxygen as much as possible...is it true? so to make sure my waterfall work as degassing accelerator i should test oxygen level? Mojo, you said we have to make the water layer as thin as possible.could you tell me range of "thin", what about 5 mm? the water goes up and crawling down to the litthe chamber (1.5 metres distance, is it work for degassing?)and water from that chamber goes to the pond creating sheet water fall.

i do not know, teddy, but falling down vertical is the fastest therefore thinnest. spreads the water surface larger will also help. thanks

[teddy]

Dear Mojo,Papa Bear
since the key to get water aerated as much as possible and for my case to run the water fall I have to have another pump since existing pump can't be used, what do you think comparison between using extra pump or another aerator from point of view effectiveness, effort, cost, etc.
My pond about 20m3 with filter about 8m3.
I use 2 aerator, 1 for the pond (80 l/m) with uniring and 1 for filter chambers (60l/m).
is it enough.? how much is enough?
my water get darker and darker..but water parameters ok..
what do you think I should do?

rgds,
teddy

[mojo]

Quote: Originally Posted by teddy Dear Mojo,Papa Bear since the key to get water aerated as much as possible and for my case to run the water fall I have to have another pump since existing pump can't be used, what do you think comparison between using extra pump or another aerator from point of view effectiveness, effort, cost, etc. My pond about 20m3 with filter about 8m3. I use 2 aerator, 1 for the pond (80 l/m) with uniring and 1 for filter chambers (60l/m). is it enough.? how much is enough? my water get darker and darker..but water parameters ok.. what do you think I should do? rgds, teddy

mr teddy, i do not know any thing about old type filter (several chamber and all that) just my thought, again just my thought, scrap out all of those and DYI a simple bead filter, it save you lot of time cleaning.

[mitten]

Mojo, you're getting a little nutty. Did you read that Teddy has a 8M3 filter? Did you really say that he should get rid of it?

I don't think there is anything wrong with calling the world flat and I've noticed you feel certain that your filters work great, but calling a 2000 gallon filter replacable by a 20 gallon Walmart bucket is total fish crap, or maybe another animal.

Teddy, what does Dr. Tan say?

[mojo]

Quote: Originally Posted by mitten Mojo, you're getting a little nutty. Did you read that Teddy has a 8M3 filter? Did you really say that he should get rid of it? I don't think there is anything wrong with calling the world flat and I've noticed you feel certain that your filters work great, but calling a 2000 gallon filter replacable by a 20 gallon Walmart bucket is total fish crap, or maybe another animal. Teddy, what does Dr. Tan say?

Mr Mitten, i'm sorry that i make you mad, i do not know anything about teddy 8m3 filter, as i said before, it's just my thought, and i did repeat just my thought. again, i appologize to you, but if you think a 20 gallon low life walmart bucket can do the job of 2000 gallon filter (water parameter perfect, low enough level of bacteria) , you may consider thinking again. please don't get mad. sorry, who is Dr Tan ?

[JasPR]

Great googlee mooglee! And the beat goes on-------
JR

[mitten]

Mr. Mojo (dude)-

The world is a very big place, but you will find a common wisdom amongst all of the world's koikeepers, (except for quacks like us in the US), and that is "bigger is better." Teddy is in a tropical climate, more like yours than mine, but is following the recommended guidleines of 20-25-30 percent of pond volume allocated for filtration. Yes, the archaic filter chambers that get poopoo'ed regularly. They work well enough for prize koi of world class stature and I tend to allow myself to believe in that kind of success.

Using your bucket the way you have is ingenious. I commend you. I recommend others adapt it to their pond as one of the filtration contraptions they run. But DO NOT think that it is a filter system. It is a bucket. You have let us in on your very cool development, but come on, you think it is better than anything else? Everything else?

Dr. Tan (DTTK?) is one of the world's most helpful and patient people. He is easy to find at the Malaysian Koi Forum, koi.com.my, that I am sure Teddy is familiar with. And yes, they are strong advocates of Big Boy Filters.

Is this the same Dr. Tan that had his pic in the latest couple Nichrins, JR?

[mojo]

Quote: Originally Posted by mitten Mr. Mojo (dude)- The world is a very big place, but you will find a common wisdom amongst all of the world's koikeepers, (except for quacks like us in the US), and that is "bigger is better." Teddy is in a tropical climate, more like yours than mine, but is following the recommended guidleines of 20-25-30 percent of pond volume allocated for filtration. Yes, the archaic filter chambers that get poopoo'ed regularly. They work well enough for prize koi of world class stature and I tend to allow myself to believe in that kind of success. Using your bucket the way you have is ingenious. I commend you. I recommend others adapt it to their pond as one of the filtration contraptions they run. But DO NOT think that it is a filter system. It is a bucket. You have let us in on your very cool development, but come on, you think it is better than anything else? Everything else? Dr. Tan (DTTK?) is one of the world's most helpful and patient people. He is easy to find at the Malaysian Koi Forum, koi.com.my, that I am sure Teddy is familiar with. And yes, they are strong advocates of Big Boy Filters. Is this the same Dr. Tan that had his pic in the latest couple Nichrins, JR?

Mr Mitten, no i'm not a genius at all, bead filter have been introduce quite longtime ago in the US. what i do is just immitate Aquadine, Sacramento koi .... and many many more company in the US. They a did a marvelous job for Koi lover, and most of of us in the US use them for their space saving, , easier to maintenace... it not cheap those, a good one problably run above $1000. but if you DYI it will be a lot less. Right now they introduce the sinking bead, no blower with UV about $500. Even better.
People have right to do whatever they feel like, and we all respect that. I do respect your opinion even if i don't like it, and i think so you should. Hard language never create solution or even friendship. It don't lead to anywhere if our main purpose is learning, and enjoy Koi. With all respect, Mr Mitten.
By the way i'm sorry that i dissapoint you, i'm not a DUDE, may be i was 45 years ago, not now. Thanks again.

[mitten]

Hi _____, this is Mickey again-

I am not so much of a believer in beads as you are. You do know that they are not universally embraced as miracles, right?

After 2 or 3 cappucinos I can delude myself into thinking that there is some Dude left in me, but other than that, Yep, I'm an old fart, too.

Your development is ingenious. Simple is ALWAYS better. But I don't understand why you think I'm mad because I remind you, and others, that this is not a filter system and cannot be relied on for all of the filtration chores of any pond.

Mojo, I will filter my 400g QT with 2 five gallon buckets, but I will not recommend anybody do that without mindful water changes, and I will not recommend my buckets for a real pond. Nope. And neither should you.

Now, where is the angry talk you accuse me of? Being from the East side of Deetroit I may know a different level of anger than you. Still, do not distort my emphatic statements by thinking they are typed in anger.