Rate this Gin Rin Sanke

[JasPR]

I've seen some pretty nice ones sell for around $2500. Of course the 'ready to go' stuff is ridiculously priced. Here is a shot of a bunch that were not too expensive as I recall?

[Erns]

Would those be from his magoi bloodline? I've learned that he has kept the lines separated and you have a choice when you go there? I like the magoi line because they are fast growing and though with more resistance to disease.

[Super Kindai]

Quote: Originally Posted by Erns Got this one in December at 28cm(11"). Took a look at her today, she is 45cm(17") today of which I'm pretty proud. Breeder is Takeda. Still a Nissai. I included a pic of what she looked like at 28cm. Notice the change in sumi. My pond is good for sumi development but on this one it got less. I however like the 'new' look more. She had a bit of a 'pot bellie' when I got her but figured I'd give her a try anyway. Bellie is almost gone. Comments welcome. One of my show hopes.

Takeda 2 years old, female....... I think that she. with large 2 steps pattern & ideal tubozumi on the shoulder, will become a gorgeous fish at over 70-75cm.
In generally speaking, Sanke shows a beauty just a short period of time at Tosai but a beauty go away at Nisai. then it starts showing a real beauty gradually from 3-4 years old.

[JasPR]

yes, Saki has about three different lines of sanke and at least three of kohaku including the pink beni kohaku. He also has teh new line of showa with sanke style sumi and maruzome kiwa . JR

[koiczar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Erns So how much do you guys pay for koi from Sakai? Lets say tosai to nissai, show grade. Our dealer was just there and his message was if you don't have $6000 to $10 000, don't bother? I find it very hard to believe. He had some good tosai going for 1.8mil Yen!! And a nice nissai showa for 6.5mil yen...that a nice house here in South Africa!!

Erns

I guess it all depends on what you're looking for. Sakai has some absolutely stunning fish for less than the prices you mentioned. I guess the best way is to go with someone who is a dealer and buy your own. When someone tells you prices like that for tosai I just shake my head. Sometimes the breeder quotes these outrageous prices if he really doesn't want to sell the fish. They will usually price the fish at Sansai prices figuring that's what they'll be able to get at that age. If you still want it, then YOU take the risk, not the breeder. Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose, but the breeder will always win in that situation. I know Sakai-Hiroshima fish have been going for astronomical prices because the market in the Far East will pay whatever price to get fish to breed.

I was talking with Mike Harvey at the All Japan Show and he said the shipping to So. Africa was outrageous as well. Maybe that's where some of your cost is coming from too.

Mike

[Erns]

This is another Gin Rin that i'm keeping an eye on. This one is a beast and she is growing really fast, or i'm just over excited, she grew 10cm in 2 months?? 35cm in mid January and today she was 45cm. Very hungry little fishy!

[MikeM]

Hard to tell much with the reflections.

I do not care for Gin Rins generally. The occasional specimen with even Gin Rin like crystals does draw my attention. Among the Gin Rin the black & whites are the ones I like best... Matsukawabake and Shiro Utsuri in particular. The Gin Rin does not show well on the Sumi, but makes the shiroji seem like ice. The contrast of sparkling ice and the light-absorbing black is dramatic. The Gin Rin can enhance the art of the koi... IMO, at least when the Gin Rin is fully dispersed over the shiroji.

Enjoy your gal.

[phoenix7772006]

Quote: Originally Posted by JasPR Hi, You have done a VERY nice job at correcting this fish's conformation! Really excellent! I think the sumi is the fish's best feature. And the condition of this fish's skin is excellent. In South Africa you will go by ZNA rules so I think this fish will do well in ginrin A. If this fish is up against real matsunosuke gin, in the normal sanke class, it will likely loose. The reason is, yours is niigata gin and real ginrin. And this tends to make your beni look that light orange, which might influence the judges eyes? The pattern is fine but what Japanese consider 'primitive' in evolutionary style. If you study the great kohaku and sanke of Japan you will notice that the pattern, variable as they may be, tend to all be evolved patterns. What I mean by this is the plates of beni form step patterns and balance all the way down the dosal region. Sanke can get away with longer patterns like inazuma and large moyo because of the stepping stone sumi that helps break it up. But in this case, your excellent sumi is a bit clustered so you loose that effect. All and all, your koi is excellent and again, I'm impressed that you have gotten the very most out of this fish. The competition on the day will tell whether my concerns for the beni and long pattern will be a major issue or a minor one. Best of luck. JR

i rate this koi 6.85 out of 10.

[moikoi]

Quote: Originally Posted by phoenix7772006 i rate this koi 6.85 out of 10.

what is your formula? how you come up with 6.85 ?

[ppp]

Quote: Originally Posted by Erns So how much do you guys pay for koi from Sakai? Lets say tosai to nissai, show grade. Our dealer was just there and his message was if you don't have $6000 to $10 000, don't bother? I find it very hard to believe. He had some good tosai going for 1.8mil Yen!! And a nice nissai showa for 6.5mil yen...that a nice house here in South Africa!!

That koi was, I believe, Sakai's top nisai showa during the April auction. It was bidded up to 6.5m yen. It had incredible body and pattern, but looked relatively finished for a nisai. Unfortunately I did not save the photo in my computer, so I can't post it up here. Very few Sakai nisai sell for this amount, even if they are good show quality fish, so don't take this extremity as the norm. Auctions tend to distort values somewhat.

It's really difficult to generalize how much a show quality fish from Sakai would cost. Fish that are good enough to win show prizes at a small size may not have a brilliant future as they are more or less already finished (and are in most cases male), so are usually much less expensive as one which looks currently "crappy" but is a fish with a huge future potential (ie a true blue tategoi). Indeed, many GCs almost never win anything during their younger days. It really depends on what you want...a current show fish or a "tategoi" (used loosely) with show potential.