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Old 05-29-2007   #1 (permalink)
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koi food brand comparison?

Fairly new to koi hobby, what is the best food for koi out there as far as brand for the money value. Is there any difference what koi food you feed? Does anyone notice any difference between food brand and what can you recommend? thanks
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Old 05-29-2007   #2 (permalink)
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Hikari/Ogata

That being said don't buy the food buy the ingredients. It is better to have freshly milled food with good ingredients than a brand.
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Old 05-30-2007   #3 (permalink)
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I like saki-hikari, I feed it at the correct temperature and it cuts down on waste deposited in the vortex by atleast half. If the fish can better digest it, I figure I'm getting my monies worth. The filters run better, the koi like it, and the only thing negative that can be said is it's expensive and sometimes difficult to get.
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I like saki-hikari, I feed it at the correct temperature and it cuts down on waste deposited in the vortex by atleast half. If the fish can better digest it, I figure I'm getting my monies worth. The filters run better, the koi like it, and the only thing negative that can be said is it's expensive and sometimes difficult to get.
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I agree. At the right temps, Saki Hikari is the BEST of the pelleted food on the market. Yes, much less waste and better growth. It is expensive and in some cases, you get what you pay for - that is true of this product. I have found the newer line of food labeled O.S.I. to be of very good quality with very little waste in the off seaons. Good ingredients and locally distributed right here in San Jose. Check with Russ, he carries it. Very reasonably priced as well!

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First off koi food is expensive. With that said you got to experiment which food is right for you(your budget) and the condition of your koi.

Saki-Hikari is one of the best koi foods on the market, but please dont get drawn into the ad of "These GC's were raised on Saki-Hikari" that Hikari has on one of the American Koi Magazines. That ad is maybe 25% true...and 75% BS...
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I used dainichi growth formula last season and thought it was very good. Fish grew very well...looked excellent. No complaints at all!!
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Old 05-31-2007   #7 (permalink)
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Personally, I have doubts about the comparisons of the various better brand koi foods. Once you eliminate trout chow and the like, and focus on foods from reputable manufacturers intended for koi, there is a high degree of similarity. From there, eliminate the ones using corn as the grain base and select from among the ones with a wheat base which have fishmeal or other marine animal meal as the first listed ingredient. You will have a list of many brands at that point (each with staple, color, growth and winter versions). For the hobbyist who is seeking the very best and already has the best filtration, water change schedule etc they can achieve, then the extra dollars for a "top of the mountain" expensive brand might give a hair more in results. I've seen far better growth and development in the best filtered/maintained/water changed ponds at low stocking rates using a less costly food than with expensive foods used in lesser environments. The very best food is not going to give better results if the fish are in a lesser environment. I often recommend folks try Azoo, a relatively inexpensive food with an ingredient list comparable to many brands priced twice as much. It contains ingredients similar to the bacteria/enzyme component of Hikari Saki and has the beta glucan immune system enhancer... albeit not as much as in the very expensive brands promoting those ingredients. But, a lot of people who get those expensive brands feed them only a third or fourth of the time, so the koi end up with no more of the "special additive" than in the very affordable Azoo product. Go figure. I know that some of the most expensive brands could be sold at half price and still be very profitable to the maker, but they found that by raising the price and advertising it as super premium, kichi would spend more thinking that it must be a whole lot better. If you feel you need to feed an imported Japanese brand rather than a cheap Taiwanese brand... or, heaven forbid, a cheap domestic brand (which is likely fresher and not shipped for a month in the hold of a ship stuck in customs another month), then go for Hikari. They've been in the business a long time and know what they are doing. I like to use a variety of foods. Hikari Growth is a standard part (50%+/-)of my summer mix, which right now also includes Azoo Growth (20%+/-), Hai Feng staple (10%+/-) (which I got in a raffle and so using it), and Hikari Saki Growth (20%+/-) for the floating mix. The summer sinking mix is limited to a slow sinking high protein pellet from AES (40%+/-) and Hikari sinking wheatgerm (60%+/-). The floating mix changes to increase overall protein level levels until July or so, and then I mix in more staple formula to lower protein and fats somewhat as heading into the "Florida winter", when sinking wheatgerm eventually becomes the only food around November 1. I want to expand the variety in the sinking mix for the summer, but am having a hard time finding sinking pellets intended for koi. My main theory is that by using 6-8 different foods intended for koi, plus an occasional treat of live earthworms and the daily grazing on algae (and the gnat larvae etc in the algae), there won't be some nutrient missing. What one lacks, hopefully another posseses.

Those are my thoughts on the subject, for whatever folks want to make of them.

BTW, tree frogs spawned in the pond this past week. As soon as the eggs hatched out, my 14-year old homegrown had a feast. She seemed to scarf them all up before the others figured out what they were missing. Maybe they've not learned the difference between tasty frog tadpoles and foul toad tadpoles.
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We're using the Floating Wheatgerm pellets from Ray Abell this year, and the Koi really seem to like it and it is very reasonably priced in bulk purchase. It contains high fishmeal, krill, wheatgerm, and spirulina content, but not so much as the color enhancing on spirulina.
The main thing I'm noticing is that the shiroji on the bekko's has a real luster to it compared to last year and they really go after it when it hits the water. Much better than the hikari staple we tried last year.
Mike, for your summer sinking food mix you might get in touch with Ray about his high protein sinking feed. The protein content is extra high for growth and according to the people I've talked to that use it they are very pleased with the results.
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Yep. I have used it the past couple of years. Unfortunately, he will not being getting any for at least 6-8 weeks. Folks were wanting floating, so he had that made on the same formula. He can't store a separate run of sinking until the floating gets moved out.

....hmmmm.. EVERYBODY SHOULD GET HIS FLOATING HIGH PROTEIN REAL QUICK!!!
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Old 06-01-2007   #10 (permalink)
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Most manufacturers claim to have the best food on the market. The standards they all use is the standard developed by Shinkokai breeders in Japan. The breeders wanted a healthy but inexpensive food. And no spirolina. They only add spirilina to koi for sale because we, as a group, see, not what's to come but what's there now even though we think we know better.

Be aware that many dealors carry food on their shelves until it runs out. I've seen food dated over a year old.

At one time vitamin C deteriated so fast that it was the limiting factor for determining when food should be disposed of. That has been stabalized enough that rancid oils have taken their place for determining when to dispose of, or avoid purchasing, a product. Don't buy food that doesn't have a 'manufactured' date on the package and none over 6 months old.

Mazuri Koi Foods and Rangen are excelent products and are shipped from the factory to you within 2 weeks of manufacture. They are also inexpensive but only sold in bulk. I just picked up 50 pounds that I will be splitting with clubmembers. (It's been a few years since I could use 50 pounds on my own and club members like myself appriciate the smaller quantities as well as the price.
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