Ochiba Shigure- Good or Bad?

[koiczar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Nguyen if you bought it from tsekoi in san jose, then it's most likely bred by Ito koi farm. I was told that tsekoi only have fish from Ito koi farm. Steve

Steve

Just for clarification - Ito Koi Farm is more of a "distributor". His son Hidei collects fish from various breeders including their own stocks, which, according to Ito-San, are not really high quality. He breeds a lot of magoi for food fish sales. For example, most of his Gosanke stock he sends to Tom are from Yagengi Koi Farm. He has also brought in showa from Isa, Shiro from Mano and various others. I ran into Hidei at Marusaka's farm when I was there in 2001. I asked what he was doing there,(thinking the same as you at that time), and he said he was buying fish to export to customers. That's when I first learned about all this. If you come to Tom's annual event this Saturday, you can ask Shiro yourself. That way, you hear it from the "horse's mouth"!!! LOL

See you there

Mike

[Steve Nguyen]

now I know in better details. Thank you for the clarification, Mike.

Steve

Quote: Originally Posted by koiczar Steve Just for clarification - Ito Koi Farm is more of a "distributor". His son Hidei collects fish from various breeders including their own stocks, which, according to Ito-San, are not really high quality. He breeds a lot of magoi for food fish sales. For example, most of his Gosanke stock he sends to Tom are from Yagengi Koi Farm. He has also brought in showa from Isa, Shiro from Mano and various others. I ran into Hidei at Marusaka's farm when I was there in 2001. I asked what he was doing there,(thinking the same as you at that time), and he said he was buying fish to export to customers. That's when I first learned about all this. If you come to Tom's annual event this Saturday, you can ask Shiro yourself. That way, you hear it from the "horse's mouth"!!! LOL See you there Mike

[bimbo22]

i'd like your ochiba if i could swim with it..it looks like it'll get pretty large. but i like patterns that are more interesting for example...

[s2chang]

Hey Bimbo, your showa has a really nice body and pattern too. Just can't keep my eyes off her (or his?). Could you tell me more about this showa? stevec

[bimbo22]

lets see this showa....um she's about 20 inches bought her when she was about 15 inches i've had her for about a year. breeder ogata. shes one of my favorites in my pond.

[phoenix7772006]

Quote: Originally Posted by lildude I'm sure many of you may have seen this koi before. I just entered it into another forums virtual koi show. Not sure if its going to do any good, but thought it might be better to gain some experience on how a koi show might be ran. I didnt have a blue container so I made the background blue, hopefully the other forum will let it pass, but I will understand if It does not suffice. Please be as harsh if need be. Current size is around 16 inches. Breeder: Unknown. please forgive the bubble. Thank you everyone.

not bad and not good either. i rate this koi 6 out of 10.

[Erns]

I have been told that the ideal pattern for ochiba should be 'autumn leaves floating on water'. To me yours is looking like a big leaf with a drop of water on it? It's worth your time looking at the different varieties and what the ideal patterns should represent. This is not cast is stone but it will give you good direction on when to vaule a pattern on when not. This is in terms of showing koi. After you can reognise an ideal pattern you can start looking for the ones that although it confirms to the standard it's got something uniqe and that will make your ablility to spot a winner much stronger. I'm still trying to master the basic patterns and learning what the standard should represent. It's a journey but one you have to make..
There is a lot of books on this.
Kokuyo vol 1
Koi Kichi vol 1
Living Jewels by Servaas De Kock

and many more. Start the journey.

[lildude]

Quote: Originally Posted by Erns I have been told that the ideal pattern for ochiba should be 'autumn leaves floating on water'. To me yours is looking like a big leaf with a drop of water on it? It's worth your time looking at the different varieties and what the ideal patterns should represent. This is not cast is stone but it will give you good direction on when to vaule a pattern on when not. This is in terms of showing koi. After you can reognise an ideal pattern you can start looking for the ones that although it confirms to the standard it's got something uniqe and that will make your ablility to spot a winner much stronger. I'm still trying to master the basic patterns and learning what the standard should represent. It's a journey but one you have to make.. There is a lot of books on this. Kokuyo vol 1 Koi Kichi vol 1 Living Jewels by Servaas De Kock and many more. Start the journey.

Thank you. I apologize for the extremely late response. I have been taking care of my 2 cousins that are 4 yo and 6 yo in washington because my uncle has gone to afghanistan for 9 months.

I have kokugyo vol. 1, and koikichi vol. 1. they are really good books, treasure them very much.
Yes, I remember my Japanese teacher saying Ochiba shigure meant exactly what you said above, "'autumn leaves floating on water'". Thank you for the pointers. It has helped me in understanding ochiba's.